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You realise that Andy can only give updates on things when he receives information to update is on ?

Moaning to him about a lack of updates/vision is as much use as moaning to the girls at the ticket office about ticket prices.

Corrected that for you

Go back and tell AJ and JN we don't want them near the club any longer, slowly killing the club like a cancer.

He is not very good at what he does simply because of the two idiots he works for.

If they had their way he would be redundant as they hate any information getting out of the club.

Why does Andy even come on here? He's obviously the puppet on a string, loves being the bearer of good news then does one when the going gets tough.
Before anybody says his hands are tied or whatever if that's the case don't bother coming on antagonising people leave it to Phil King from now on.you're like a broken record.

If I were Phil King, I think I would be getting in my car and driving across the A69 as fast as possible, asking for my old job back at Sunderland, then rejoicing in a lucky escape.

Actually moaning to him is not a bad idea, especially if the moans, and the general fan feeling is being passed on to the harbingers of doom.  There is such ill will towards those two at the moment that they obviously need to know about it.  There are even comments on the facebook page about this, where before the happy clappers shouted everyone, with the temerity to disagree with the party line, down immediately.

I suspect that the two of them read some of what is said, and I know Steve Pattison certainly used to, but I'm not sure if they really understand how vehement some of this is.  Surely the other side of Andy's job has to be to report back to them how disastrous their policy of not talking to the fans actually is.  I don't really suppose it will make even the slightest difference to either of them anyway.  I also know that there are people who are actually emailing the two of them fairly regularly anyway.

Andy is in a bad situation, he obviously has to show loyalty to the people he works for, but his job is to get information out to us.  If there is no useful information forthcoming it has to be a serious frustration to him.  The reality is, though, that they have now gone way too far with this and the fans are completely alienated to the point where whatever those pair say is sneered at, and what Andy tells us is treated, in general, with contempt, because he is being used by them either to try burying bad news, or to cover the fact that they've nothing to say.

This mystery billionaire is a massive case in point, he/she obviously does not exist, but they had to get something out there in order to cover up the shock at the Lapping deal being binned.  They used Andy to push a part of that, now when it comes out he/she doesn't actually exist, they'll be trying to stick the blame for it on him for letting information out.  I'm pretty sure Andy is almost walking a tightrope in there, he's stuck between the fans' need for information of any kind, and the owners need to keep everything quiet, can't be easy.

It all goes to underline that these two are totally incompetent at running a football club and are rapidly heading towards being the worst owners we have ever had.

That's probably because until AL came along we've not had an actual alternative - never mind one that is, on the face of it, so much better than the current regime. We've been crying out for a more dynamic board and leadership, for people to come in and run the club like a business, having the new MD and Sales appointments being accountable to the board etc most of us could all see a brighter future for the club... but they've pulled the rug from under it all and gone back to how they've communicated in the past - a big mistake bearing in mind how open and responsive AL has been with us all.

How many days now of the 5 to 10? 25?

To be honest Pete, I haven't been counting.  But it would appear that they still haven't met with him, or they'd have at least mentioned that they had.  That being the case there seems to be only a couple of conclusions to be drawn.  Either our lot aren't that interested in meeting him, or he's not that interested in meeting them.  If it were the former then any sensible person would have pulled out, if it were the latter then he couldn't care less about the club and we don't want him.

Of course the real explanation is that he simply doesn't exist.

Despite all the conspiracy theories and Nixon & Jenkin's obvious failures I find it hard to believe the wealthy investor is just made up.

That would be crazy and I don't think they'd have the temerity to think they could get away with it. 

You'd believe it of Knighton but not of Nixon & jenkins.

Why Nobby?

They'd painted themselves into a corner when they threw out the Lapping deal, they had to have a fall back position.  What better position than some other deal which would be attractive to fans?  What would they think, automatically, would be the most attractive?  Yeah, big money.  I just don't believe they realise how out of touch with the normal fans of the club they have become.  Their swanning it around with the Football League and FA grates on a lot of people, their treatment of the fans over the past few years has been shocking, their disregard of any other opinion than their own has been obvious for years, and any goodwill they had for "stepping into the breach" has been gone for ages.  They are still thinking we'll swallow anything they tell us, they regard us as stupid and ignorant, they see fans as a bit of a necessary evil to be treated with utter disdain.

Do you honestly believe any billionaire would spend the best part of a month having discussions with those two lunatics?  Having spoken to them once he'd want them out of the way before any more damage can be done.  If he wants to invest in a football club, as soon as he realised these two want to keep running things so they can keep their noses in the League and FA troughs he'd have gone elsewhere.  He certainly wouldn't be hanging round after almost a month waiting for them to agree to see him.

I read Coleman's article Bluestblue, and also read between the lines of it.  He knows, as we do, that there is nobody waiting in the wings to bail us out, or even to offer a little helping hand.  If there was such a billionaire why would he even consider only holding less than a controlling interest in something which he was going to throw money at?  Why would he join such a venture and allow himself to be dictated to by two hopeless old duffers who have proven conclusively they are incapable of running an orgy in a brothel?  Where Coleman could be right is the backlash awaiting the two old idiots, even if I'm right and there are more Nixon and Jenkins supporters than expected, the whole thing could turn horribly nasty.  Is that what we want for our club?  Do we want to see us on national telly and in the papers trying to hound them out?  Do we want to risk showing the entire football world that we're even more tinpot than they thought we were?

I worry how all this will go, because they'll definitely be still stringing us along at the start of the season.  Will it affect the players?  It will certainly affect the crowds, and even if we turn up in large numbers, the bad feeling will be tangible on the pitch and that also might affect performance.  This is actually my lowest ebb during my support of Carlisle United, and my old man first took me right at the start of the '70s, so around 45 years.  This is worse than Knighton, at least he generally had stuff to say, and was a bit entertaining.  These two are just slowly and steadily squeezing the life out of the club.