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Post by clairelikeeh on Jun 7, 2015 12:51:20 GMT
I went to a meeting yesterday morning & listened to how the supporters groups are moving forward together. It is exactly what we need so our voices are heard and we are involved in what's happening with OUR club. I've said it before & I'll say it again the only official way you get a say in the current debacle is by signing up to The Trust. I don't care about what's gone on before, I find it boring to be honest. It's evolving fast & I'm pleased I'll be part of it. Why wouldn't you want your voice heard & vote to count? Last season I made several of my concerns about the Club via my little 7yo son who just wants to see us score some goals & get some points. I fairly sure we all want that. We all have a responsibility to look after OUR Club when others aren't. Go on you miserable lot! You know you need to!! t.co/DjG4dTjaaE
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Post by clairelikeeh on Jun 7, 2015 12:52:39 GMT
While I'm at it, we can put ourselves forward to be on The Trust's Board ... Vote is soon!! So instead of sitting back and moaning about how things are done why don't you put your head up & stand for the election?! You need to be a member first like! t.co/DjG4dTjaaE
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Post by carlislewhite on Jun 7, 2015 14:00:02 GMT
Claire, So, in one of the most critical times of the club, the "voice of the fans" last reached out to those fans in January 2015 (last date of newsletter). The Trust are very at home with AJ and JN because they all seem to treat the fans with the same contempt. A Fan Trust needs to have the capability to respond to issues as they arise. The way the Trust is set up, and the negativity towards their spokesmen, means this is impossible.
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Post by melbourneblues on Jun 7, 2015 14:16:02 GMT
You're voices are really being heard off the current BOD aren't they, yeah the behaviour of the trust in the past is really boring isn't it, lets just forget the way they have behaved.
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 14:36:24 GMT
You're voices are really being heard off the current BOD aren't they, yeah the behaviour of the trust in the past is really boring isn't it, lets just forget the way they have behaved. There's a lot of new faces on the board now, faces that weren't involved in historical events. This is chance for supporters groups, and the Trust to move forward as one to get the best deal for the supporters of our football club. What's happened in the past needs to be left in the past. We can't keep looking back at what's gone on. We need to look forward at what can be achieved now. Starting today! I know I'd like to be involved as much as possible, because for the last 7 years, with the exception of short periods, I've seen our club deteriorate year on year. I'm not going back to Brunton Park next season with the current state of affairs on and off the pitch, knowing that I've done absolutely nothing to try and change things. CCUIST, The United Trust, the rebranded Trust, whatever they call themselves in the future currently own a quarter of the club. That's my chance to do something.
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 14:40:55 GMT
Claire, So, in one of the most critical times of the club, the "voice of the fans" last reached out to those fans in January 2015 (last date of newsletter). The Trust are very at home with AJ and JN because they all seem to treat the fans with the same contempt. A Fan Trust needs to have the capability to respond to issues as they arise. The way the Trust is set up, and the negativity towards their spokesmen, means this is impossible. Let us not forget, that in one of the most critical times of the club, the "voice of the fans" voted to dilute their shareholding from 25% to 10% for the good of the club. Because they stood by, and still stand by Andrew Lapping's proposal. They last reached out to the fans at the recent meetings regarding this dilution of shares. You can't base the last 'reach out' on the date of a newsletter. What about the update on talks with Andrew Lapping in February, or the open letter to supporters in March. Then there was the SGM in March as I mentioned above, and the press statements last month. The Trust as it is now knows that they need to start being proactive. Each board member going forward will have a specific role, or roles, and will be held accountable for dealing with matters that arise. Fans will be communicated with. Concerns will be dealt with.
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Post by oldhamblue on Jun 7, 2015 14:41:28 GMT
Unfortunately one of the old faces is still Norman Steele.....
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 14:47:28 GMT
Unfortunately one of the old faces is still Norman Steele..... Norman is still on board, correct. I don't know how long for. What I'll tell you now is that Norman is not a bad guy, and he's not afraid of change or unwilling for change. The Trust AGM takes place in July (Sunday 20th), as Claire says, if you want change within the Trust that badly then become a member, and stand for election onto the board. Membership application form: www.united-trust.org.uk/downloads/appform.pdfBoard candidate application form: www.united-trust.org.uk/downloads/agm2014candidateform.pdf - June 27th is the deadline. The new board members and those wanting the Trust to be successful cannot change the past, they can't change what happened years ago...but they can help change the future.
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Post by mashiniblick on Jun 7, 2015 14:55:47 GMT
What exactly have the Trust done in the past? A lot of people think they are ba5tards, surely they can't still be bad? I'll probably join tomorrow but like I said yesterday, the BoD can obviously pick & choose what they want them to know.
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Post by walwynlegend on Jun 7, 2015 15:02:16 GMT
As someone with no connections or angle with the trust I can't think of anything Norman Steele has said regarding recent matters that I've not agreed with.
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 15:03:24 GMT
What exactly have the Trust done in the past? A lot of people think they are ba5tards, surely they can't still be bad? I'll probably join tomorrow but like I said yesterday, the BoD can obviously pick & choose what they want them to know. I joined the Trust last May/June to try and find out more about them, and what they did. It's not until very recently that I've had more involvement with the Trust board, through things like the floodlight raffle. The board are a nice bunch, all passionate CUFC fans. There was talk of some road shows in the coming month/two before the season starts, an open event to give people a chance to find out more about the Trust, ask questions, raise concerns...and hopefully join. They've had their battles in the past, the main one being with Fred Story re: sale of some land to John Courtenay. That, and the lack of communication/activity from the Trust in recent years is the reason why people have such a bad opinion of them. The Trust was originally set up to get rid of Michael Knighton. The reason for it's existence today is very different, and the current Trust as it is now are realising that it needs to move with the times.
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 15:07:32 GMT
As someone with no connections or angle with the trust I can't think of anything Norman Steele has said regarding recent matters that I've not agreed with. I mentioned this on another topic yesterday, but I understand that representatives of the Trust are due to be on Radio Cumbria on either Tuesday or Friday night. I think this is still to be confirmed with Radio Cumbria, so don't take it as gospel, but it'll be well worth the listen.
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Post by carlislewhite on Jun 7, 2015 15:17:54 GMT
Deano, Only one I have heard from is Norman Steel in the Evening News, and many people's views on him seem fairly clear. I'm not a member, but I know quite a few who are, and they say they have heard nothing - indeed one did not even know about the "Lapping meeting". As far as the actions you list, they were dragged kicking and screaming by Mr Lapping into these as far as I can see. I agree that they should be judged on what they are doing in the present, which appears to be practically sod all as far as I can see. Their voice during the latest shenanigans is underwhelming to say the least. The fact that AJ and JN deem they do not even need to speak to them about the "billionaire's" approach shows how highly they think of them. To me, for what it's worth, until they show that they themselves can perform as a voice of the fans, it is pointless joining with other groups. To date, it just looks like same old, same old. How will that improve anything. First thing they should do is elect a pro-active, user friendly spokesperson (probably as part of a small sub-committee), who can speak on behalf of the trust without it taking weeks for them to decide what their position is. Someone such as yourself seems about right?
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Post by melbourneblues on Jun 7, 2015 15:19:21 GMT
So Deano you're asking people to join the trust and to forget what's gone on in the past, then mention you're not going back to BP until things change, that doesnt make sense. What exactly is that going to achieve?
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 15:26:43 GMT
I think many people confuse Norman Steel with his brother Alan, the original founder of the Trust, and one of the main objectors of the Lapping proposal. The Lapping meeting itself was publicised on the website, via email and presumably (I haven't checked) social media too. They probably could have done more though, I agree. Handing out flyers at some of the home games in the run up the meeting would have been a good start. The fact that they aren't situated permanently in an area around Brunton Park doesn't help either. Fans need to know where they are on match days. This is another thing they realise needs to change - and had been agreed with Andrew Lapping. Hopefully it's something that is resolved regardless of whether there is a new investor, or no investor at all. Their voice during the latest issues is something I raised yesterday at the meeting. Although they currently know absolutely nothing more than they did when the statement by John Nixon was made, they should be advising fans of this regularly. Every day if necessary. If nothing else, it tells the current BOD that they're not going to sit back and accept what is currently happening. I think you're right, I think AJ and JN have a very low opinion of the Trust, and that has got to change.
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 15:28:43 GMT
So Deano you're asking people to join the trust and to forget what's gone on in the past, then mention you're not going back to BP until things change, that doesnt make sense. What exactly is that going to achieve? I didn't say I wasn't going back next year. I said I wasn't going to go back knowing that I've done absolutely nothing to help improve things. I've got my season ticket already, and ill be supporting the players on the field.
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Post by melbourneblues on Jun 7, 2015 15:46:33 GMT
Sorry if I picked you up wrong, however I haven't seen or heard enough evidence to say the trust have changed, until then I won't be joining, whatever happened to people being automatically enrolled when buying a season ticket or is that another idea they haven't followed through?
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Post by studavo38 on Jun 7, 2015 16:05:21 GMT
I was at the meeting on Saturday and happy to help the newly founded Carlisle United Supporters Group (one name that has been mentioned but will open to the members to decide) I would not get involve unless there was real change, the Trust has made mistakes and built its self a bad reputation in the past but that is where it should stay. There is going to be real change at the club one way or another and the fans have to be apart of this and help shape and support. For this we need to rebuild, communicate and be open and honest about what fans want! The only way for that to happen is for us all to work in the same direction. They need help and are crying out for it, is it worth giving it ago. YES
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Post by clairelikeeh on Jun 7, 2015 16:11:22 GMT
I'm not getting into tit for tat. I joined the Trust in 2014 because I didn't think it was fit for purpose & tbh didn't think it had a purpose. There's recognition & the actions moving towards what it is meant to be & how it will benefit supporters of our club. If you were a member you'd have had a vote on the dilution of the shares.
If you want change - join & help change. If you want to carry on as you are - don't join.
Either way change is happening & I'm happy to support that. I'm sure I've heard a few others say they want change too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 16:20:47 GMT
Part of the problem, caused by the whole takeover debacle, is that many fans (including myself) were waiting to join the revamped supporters club/trust. Not sure whats happening with that now. Again the club/supporters left in limbo and a missed opportunity for engagement.
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 16:22:15 GMT
Sorry if I picked you up wrong, however I haven't seen or heard enough evidence to say the trust have changed, until then I won't be joining, whatever happened to people being automatically enrolled when buying a season ticket or is that another idea they haven't followed through? It's for the club to endorse them. Andrew Lapping was all for ST holders automatically being enrolled as Trust members, with the option to opt-out if they wished to do so. Unfortunately with the Lapping proposal up in the air, so too is this idea. It was mentioned again yesterday though, so is very much still in their plans. The Trust are due to meet with Phil King before he officially starts working for the club. This is something that should definitely be raised at that meeting.
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Post by melbourneblues on Jun 7, 2015 16:32:31 GMT
That's the thing Deano, it's all bluster as usual, we were going to do this but can't because of this. What happened to the new sign they were waiting on? What happened to the table that was going to be at the bottom of the sporting inn to try and get new members? The communication to trust members is non existent and in this day and age with so many options via social media there is no excuse whatsoever, this could be the most important period in the clubs history and they've issued 1 statement i think.
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Post by bruntonpasty on Jun 7, 2015 16:34:37 GMT
I think it's fairly clear that Nixon and Jenkins do not view the trust as "equals" when it comes to their membership of the Board and hence, the lack of Info given to the trust's board member. Quite disgraceful behaviour really. It is fair to say the trust has not covered itself in glory in the past but, the past is the past and we now need a group in position to take the loons to task and make their tenure as directors uncomfortable. If the trust membership could be bigger and more representative of the fanbase, they have to listen or their position becomes more untenable by the day. It is very likely that I will join the trust simply to add to their number, strength in numbers must be some help? It needs to be established whether the trust shareholding is secure at it's original level, it can then start to become a thorn in the side of the loons.
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Post by studavo38 on Jun 7, 2015 16:34:58 GMT
Part of the problem, caused by the whole takeover debacle, is that many fans (including myself) were waiting to join the revamped supporters club/trust. Not sure whats happening with that now. Again the club/supporters left in limbo and a missed opportunity for engagement. The revamped group is going to happen regardless of any takeover because it is about the fans and not who owns the club. The more members that are enrolled the more representative of the fans view it has. Yes I agree it has to communicate more and this is a start of that. There is a lot of conversation about what and how this could look and this will be opened up to everyone to have a view.
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Post by useless on Jun 7, 2015 17:05:08 GMT
Their silence is deafening
Just a load off oddbods.
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Post by mullen103 on Jun 7, 2015 17:15:25 GMT
I joined the trust mainly for the lapping deal. Had no reason to before as was just a clique.
Haven't a clue whose on the board and I wouldn't have a clue who to vote for, what positions or what they do.
The trust can't do much anyway as the club snubs them at every opportunity.
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Post by studavo38 on Jun 7, 2015 17:57:52 GMT
I joined the trust mainly for the lapping deal. Had no reason to before as was just a clique. Haven't a clue whose on the board and I wouldn't have a clue who to vote for, what positions or what they do. The trust can't do much anyway as the club snubs them at every opportunity. Agree that is what most people know, over the next few weeks I am hoping that will change and more transparency about the aims and the aspirations are heard. Also this is ran by fans for the fans and not just a selected few. This means regular meetings and forums so information is giving to the people who want it.
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Post by kellsblue on Jun 7, 2015 18:15:25 GMT
No, I dont 'need' to, actually.
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Post by flumeblue on Jun 7, 2015 18:54:21 GMT
I don't know how many times I've had to say this on this messagebord, but I'll say it again. As a Trust Board member - we want what's best for Carlisle United, its supporters & the community.
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Post by madmike on Jun 7, 2015 18:54:54 GMT
No way am I joining the trust rabble until the leadership at the top changes.
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