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Post by mashiniblick on Jun 7, 2015 19:03:00 GMT
What is the difference between Alan Steel and Norman Steel?
Honestly don't know.
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Post by dancingbear on Jun 7, 2015 19:27:12 GMT
What is the difference between Alan Steel and Norman Steel? Honestly don't know. It would appear than Alan wouldnt be able to tell the difference between Dean Walling and Dean Bouzanis whereas Norman might.
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 19:44:04 GMT
What is the difference between Alan Steel and Norman Steel? Honestly don't know. Alan Steel was the founder and first member of the trust. His brother Norman is the current Trust Chairman, and representative on the CUFC BOD.
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 19:44:43 GMT
No way am I joining the trust rabble until the leadership at the top changes. Leadership at the top of the Trust, or the top of the club itself?
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 19:49:55 GMT
Haven't a clue whose on the board and I wouldn't have a clue who to vote for, what positions or what they do. www.united-trust.org.uk/meettheboard.shtmlNormal Steel, Chairman Alastair Woodcock, Secretary (non Board member) Frank Beattie, Vice Chairman and Media Officer Lynda Johnston (relatively new addition I think) Billy Atkinson Carol Wilson Don Beacock David Steele Tommy Earl John Kukuc Jim Mitchell Nigel Davidson John Kukuc and Nigel Davidson are occasional posters on here. I know others such as Lynda and Carol are readers, but don't necessarily post. As for what their roles are, other than those listed above, I don't think there are currently any specific roles. This is part of the problem that was discussed yesterday, in that board members need to responsible for certain areas, and held accountable.
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 19:58:31 GMT
That's the thing Deano, it's all bluster as usual, we were going to do this but can't because of this. What happened to the new sign they were waiting on? What happened to the table that was going to be at the bottom of the sporting inn to try and get new members? The communication to trust members is non existent and in this day and age with so many options via social media there is no excuse whatsoever, this could be the most important period in the clubs history and they've issued 1 statement i think. The Trust have had the sign for some time. It was on display at last years fun day (see below). Needs to be visible every single game though, I don't disagree with that. The table was at the bottom of the sporting inn on 3-4 occasions towards the end of last season. I know because I offered to help out on each of those occasions. The weather was shocking which didn't help, it rained (some games threw it down!) pretty much every attempt, so the table was inside, not outside. The biggest problem for me was that the sign/banner was not displayed. Almost made the task impossible. This is something I hope they will sort for next season.
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Post by mullen103 on Jun 7, 2015 20:01:09 GMT
Haven't a clue whose on the board and I wouldn't have a clue who to vote for, what positions or what they do. www.united-trust.org.uk/meettheboard.shtmlNormal Steel, Chairman Alastair Woodcock, Secretary (non Board member) Frank Beattie, Vice Chairman and Media Officer Lynda Johnston (relatively new addition I think) Billy Atkinson Carol Wilson Don Beacock David Steele Tommy Earl John Kukuc Jim Mitchell Nigel Davidson John Kukuc and Nigel Davidson are occasional posters on here. I know others such as Lynda and Carol are readers, but don't necessarily post. As for what their roles are, other than those listed above, I don't think there are currently any specific roles. This is part of the problem that was discussed yesterday, in that board members need to responsible for certain areas, and held accountable. Agree there's no point being a board member with no role. It's where the clique comment came from, haven't heard of over half of those they should make themselves known. Same as our BOD being on the board with no talent. I'm sure that's not the case and they do do work but it's very easy to criticise them.
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Post by parcelpete on Jun 7, 2015 20:19:58 GMT
www.united-trust.org.uk/meettheboard.shtmlNormal Steel, Chairman Alastair Woodcock, Secretary (non Board member) Frank Beattie, Vice Chairman and Media Officer Lynda Johnston (relatively new addition I think) Billy Atkinson Carol Wilson Don Beacock David Steele Tommy Earl John Kukuc Jim Mitchell Nigel Davidson John Kukuc and Nigel Davidson are occasional posters on here. I know others such as Lynda and Carol are readers, but don't necessarily post. As for what their roles are, other than those listed above, I don't think there are currently any specific roles. This is part of the problem that was discussed yesterday, in that board members need to responsible for certain areas, and held accountable. Agree there's no point being a board member with no role. It's where the clique comment came from, haven't heard of over half of those they should make themselves known. Same as our BOD being on the board with no talent. I'm sure that's not the case and they do do work but it's very easy to criticise them. Is Beacock pronounced Keacock.
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Post by mullen103 on Jun 7, 2015 20:23:35 GMT
There's quite a lot of **** on the board
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Post by CCU on Jun 7, 2015 20:35:08 GMT
They first mentioned their '5 Year Plan' around a year ago, a year in and they're not finished the document!
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 20:39:43 GMT
They first mentioned their '5 Year Plan' around a year ago, a year in and they're not finished the document! The five-year plan was put on hold temporarily because of the developments with AL. It's been a while since I read the 5-year plan, but I think it mentioned eventually owning the club outright. This is obviously not in their plans any more providing the club gets investment from AL, or another investor with the same plans. I understand the five-year plan will be revisited again at the next Board meeting that they have.
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Post by CCU on Jun 7, 2015 20:42:00 GMT
Potential investment don't matter. They made a fuss of this 'plan', but over a year later, according to their own website they've nearly finished the final draft. For it take a year, it must be huge!?!
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 20:48:40 GMT
As I said, it was put on hold - I doubt for one moment it's taken a year. Don't forget that Andrew Lapping has been on the scene for 9/10 months now. They could, and probably should have amended it to exclude any part that was dependant on investment, so that they could move forward and crack on with stuff within their control.
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Post by armo on Jun 7, 2015 21:07:18 GMT
What exactly have the Trust done in the past? A lot of people think they are ba5tards, surely they can't still be bad? I'll probably join tomorrow but like I said yesterday, the BoD can obviously pick & choose what they want them to know. I think there's quite a bit more than the when Fred Story tried to give a bit of land to JC (remember, the guy who saved the club despite the Trusts constant attempts at revising history?). How about Kate Rowley (who was a big cheese on the board at the time) being forced to resign from the Trust and apologise after being found to lie about FS? I'm pretty sure she purjured herself during that court case to but can't swear to that one. Or, then again, there's that oddious little **** Alan Steel. Decides to install himself as chairman of the Turst and despite promising elections in the first year, decides they're "to busy" and he'll just stay on as chairman thank you very much. Or there's his all round good egg brother, Norman Steel, the Trust's representative on the board of Carlisle. The reason he's the Trusts representative on the board, i'm sure, is down to the afformentioned fact that he's an all-round good egg and nothing to do with the fact that he's loaned the Trust a chunk of money (which the Trust are still in the process of paying back) and had it written into his loan that he *had* to be the Trusts board representative.
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Post by armo on Jun 7, 2015 21:12:24 GMT
I think many people confuse Norman Steel with his brother Alan, the original founder of the Trust, and one of the main objectors of the Lapping proposal. The Lapping meeting itself was publicised on the website, via email and presumably (I haven't checked) social media too. They probably could have done more though, I agree. Handing out flyers at some of the home games in the run up the meeting would have been a good start. The fact that they aren't situated permanently in an area around Brunton Park doesn't help either. Fans need to know where they are on match days. This is another thing they realise needs to change - and had been agreed with Andrew Lapping. Hopefully it's something that is resolved regardless of whether there is a new investor, or no investor at all. Their voice during the latest issues is something I raised yesterday at the meeting. Although they currently know absolutely nothing more than they did when the statement by John Nixon was made, they should be advising fans of this regularly. Every day if necessary. If nothing else, it tells the current BOD that they're not going to sit back and accept what is currently happening. I think you're right, I think AJ and JN have a very low opinion of the Trust, and that has got to change. You've mentioned this a couple of times now Deano. I assume this wasn't a board meeting as you mentioned your not on the board? I also assume it wasn't a general meeting, otherwise they would of publicised this, i'm a trust member and never heard a thing? I'm afraid, it sounds like the same old cliques to me.
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 21:15:46 GMT
It was a meeting for reps from the various supporter groups (CUSG), such as the London Branch, Away Travel, West Cumbria Travel, this messageboard, the Trust - organised by the Trust board. The same group that arranged and ran the Floodlight raffle.
I'm sure you'll hear more over the next week or two.
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Post by armo on Jun 7, 2015 21:19:16 GMT
I'll wait with baited breath
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 21:23:53 GMT
I don't know much about what went on previous Arno, only what I read on here, and hear from others. I was in nappies (well almost!) when Fred Story, Kate Rowley, JC and the Trust had their to do years ago. It needs to be pushed aside now. The Trust as they were did the job they were designed to do back then. Now their role needs to be completely different.
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Post by flumeblue on Jun 7, 2015 21:24:20 GMT
As a Board member Mullen I'll meet up with you. Gladly. To talk about Carlisle United. Let's go for it. Oh and anyone else who wants to come along. Just suggest a time and a venue. (Evening or Weekend).
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Post by dancingbear on Jun 7, 2015 21:32:06 GMT
I'll wait with baited breath Get your best Maurice Day CD on Armo
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Post by flumeblue on Jun 7, 2015 21:37:31 GMT
Have I got it wrong or did I not offer to meet you Armo? i was there!!
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Post by armo on Jun 7, 2015 21:38:19 GMT
I don't know much about what went on previous Arno, only what I read on here, and hear from others. I was in nappies (well almost!) when Fred Story, Kate Rowley, JC and the Trust had their to do years ago. It needs to be pushed aside now. The Trust as they were did the job they were designed to do back then. Now their role needs to be completely different. To be fair to you Deano, i'm sure it must be hard to understand if you wern't around to witness what went on previously - I mentioned some of it earlier but there was lots more. The problem the Trust have now is that people don't forget what has happened in the past and whilst it's easy for the Trust to say the past is in the past, it's hard for people to forget. Especially when it's the people who caused the alienation in the first place are asking for the fans to put the past in the past. The best possible thing the Trust could do would be for the entire board to stand down before the new elections. A total clean slate. You mention there's new blood on the board but a lot of those names you mentioned previously are the ones who were around when all the previous **** was going on. I honestly hope you a right and that it's a new dawn for the Trust but the proof of the pudding........................
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Post by armo on Jun 7, 2015 21:39:19 GMT
Have I got it wrong or did I not offer to meet you Armo? i was there!! If you did then I sure don't remember it. You sure it was me flumeblue?
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Post by arragorn on Jun 7, 2015 21:40:45 GMT
Why does it take 11 board members and a non board member secretary to "run" the Trust? Its not as if they have thousands of members and need to dispense loads of useful information about what they are up to.
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Post by flumeblue on Jun 7, 2015 21:41:05 GMT
Madmike have my place. I'll go up for re-election one year after being on the Board. Go for it mate
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Post by flumeblue on Jun 7, 2015 21:44:16 GMT
I believe so Armo - at the Hughie McIlmoyle statue at 14.40 before a home game.
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Post by armo on Jun 7, 2015 21:47:13 GMT
I believe so Armo - at the Hughie McIlmoyle statue at 14.40 before a home game. ppphhhhh, if you say so......... Was it on a thread on here? Would love to see the thread if that was the case. I'm not saying your wrong, just saying I can't remember anything about it.
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Post by armo on Jun 7, 2015 21:50:26 GMT
They first mentioned their '5 Year Plan' around a year ago, a year in and they're not finished the document! The five-year plan was put on hold temporarily because of the developments with AL. It's been a while since I read the 5-year plan, but I think it mentioned eventually owning the club outright. This is obviously not in their plans any more providing the club gets investment from AL, or another investor with the same plans. I understand the five-year plan will be revisited again at the next Board meeting that they have. Does that mean the Trust are also putting on hold their plan to double the fee as well Deano? That was in the 5 year plan as well I beleive? Talking of which............has anybody actually seen this 5 year plan? Did it actually get finished? I know Norman has talked about it on the radio but was it actually finished? Was it published?
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 7, 2015 21:52:39 GMT
Arno, the fee went up on June 1st to £10. I know because I missed the deadline to renew at the cheaper price.
I checked the Trust website earlier and there was a presentation and draft summary on there. Haven't seen the finished article though.
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Post by flumeblue on Jun 7, 2015 21:55:45 GMT
This is not about winning arguments. It's about being open. I am seriously trying as are The Trust Board - but shxt it's hard. We all have lives to lead outside of Carlisle United. Time is precious - we need help. I'm of to bed Work in the morning
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