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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 8, 2015 22:39:01 GMT
I tried going down the independant supporters group route, unfortunately there was little interest from folk willing to get their hands dirty and commit to the roles that run such groups. Another chap Jason Hettrick also tried at the beginning of the year, again, I don't believe there's been a great uptake in that either.
There's some old faces still on the board, but there's also a lot of new faces who actually want the much needed change to occur. It's not going to happen overnight but hopefully throughout the remainder of this pre-season fans will notice a considerable difference.
There's clearly some who will never join the Trust regardless of what happens. That's their decision, but I don't think that's reason enough to stop trying to get that change.
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armo
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Post by armo on Jun 8, 2015 23:26:02 GMT
The trust dilution does worry me a lot....as I said on an earlier post; I suspect that the BoD will try and threaten the Trust with legal action if it holds to its 25% and blocks the deal that feathers their nests with blue yonder.....Simply, without believing they can bulldoze the Trust the BoD line doesn't make a lot of sense... Comical Andy is welcome to come and contradict me - although whether anyone would believe a word he posts right now is debatable....... I actually feel a bit sorry for Andy Hall in all this. He was a proper fan and on the old board (fozzy) for a fair few years. Then I think he started at the club part-time for free (maybe wrong on that but I think so). I honestly don't think he's particularly happy with what's going on but, in his situation and with this being his livelyhood, what can the guy do?
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Post by melbourneblues on Jun 9, 2015 6:57:05 GMT
Stop coming on here with **** poor excuses about everything, out of my hands blah blah blah.
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Post by bobbyowenstolemypast on Jun 9, 2015 11:01:31 GMT
I think accusing someone of perjury is a bit naughty unless you've got absolute proof. There was some private case brought against KR by Fred Story that was thrown out of court. Whether that was supposed to be about 'perjury' I can't recall exactly but I don't remember anything being proven in court by anyone. If the CUFC Trust is set up the way most others are, the members don't elect the chairman, its the board that does that, so Alan Steel wouldn't need to be elected in the way you describe. As I recall the first chairman was Mike Corry, not Alan Steel. He was secretary....then took over later as chairman from Mike. The reason the case was thrown out was because KR had already agreed to have no more involment with the Trust and to apologise to FS - under which circumstances FS promised not to sue (which he then went on to do). The case most certainly wasn't thrown out because there was no case to answer. Edited to add, i've dug out details from the N&S - she was being taken to court for perjury and, the case was thrown out after the Trust agreed to FS/The Clubs demands. www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1.210538Ok, but there's still nothing in there to prove anyone committed perjury. There's nothing to link the statement containing the apology to the 'alleged' statement read out in Court in July 2005. The apology issued was almost certainly not legally admissable (or to use the correct legal term, 'without prejudice') so it couldn't have been used in any case against KR, and I'm not sure if she was still a part of the Trust Board when the statement containing the apology was issued, so she may not have been condoning that particular form of words herself. In any case, the claim was of perverting the course of justice which is not quite the same as perjury and not easy to prove if its essentially one person's word against another's, which I suspect was what this amounted to. Put it this way, I wouldn't want my name connected to a serious criminal offence if the case against me had collapsed, whatever the reason. I certainly don't recall Alan Steel ever being treasurer - he was secretary at the start, then took over as chair after Mike Corry resigned - about late 2002 from memory. Peter Harrington has been treasurer from pretty much the beginning. The fact is I can see no reason for the Trust to contemplate holding 'elections' within their first year as there's no requirement to hold any until the first AGM - all Trusts follow these rules. The first AGM was in the middle of 2002, about a year after the launch meeting at the Sands. If Alan Steel was the source of this info - being 'too busy' to hold elections - he had a habit of talking 'off the cuff' so I suspect this was incorrect info, possibly given as a quick answer to a quick question when he had no access to the rules. Anyone who knows the actual details within the rules knows the first elections are not held until the first AGM.
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Post by chesterviabothel on Jun 9, 2015 13:00:03 GMT
Stop coming on here with **** poor excuses about everything, out of my hands blah blah blah. When you work for JN and AJ I'd imagine a lot of things are out of his hands.
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Post by melbourneblues on Jun 9, 2015 16:12:54 GMT
Best thing for him to do in that case cvb is to stop coming on here, answering selective questions then disappearing when the going gets tough gets on people's nerves.
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Post by oldhamblue on Jun 9, 2015 16:30:30 GMT
The trust dilution does worry me a lot....as I said on an earlier post; I suspect that the BoD will try and threaten the Trust with legal action if it holds to its 25% and blocks the deal that feathers their nests with blue yonder.....Simply, without believing they can bulldoze the Trust the BoD line doesn't make a lot of sense... Comical Andy is welcome to come and contradict me - although whether anyone would believe a word he posts right now is debatable....... I actually feel a bit sorry for Andy Hall in all this. He was a proper fan and on the old board (fozzy) for a fair few years. Then I think he started at the club part-time for free (maybe wrong on that but I think so). I honestly don't think he's particularly happy with what's going on but, in his situation and with this being his livelyhood, what can the guy do? I have a lot of time for Andy, going right back to 3 games in hand and no-one could ever question his commitment......i also understand his predicament and have sympathy; but he also knows that the 'Nuremberg' defence was discredited some time ago - and some of what has been posted on here has been flat out BS....i.e the Nixon holiday stuff and AJ saying he can't do interviews....My reference to Comical Ali is meant to be he now sounds as ridiculous as that guy did - and it's a GREAT shame...
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Post by valhalladancehall on Jun 9, 2015 19:00:31 GMT
I actually feel a bit sorry for Andy Hall in all this. He was a proper fan and on the old board (fozzy) for a fair few years. Then I think he started at the club part-time for free (maybe wrong on that but I think so). I honestly don't think he's particularly happy with what's going on but, in his situation and with this being his livelyhood, what can the guy do? I have a lot of time for Andy, going right back to 3 games in hand and no-one could ever question his commitment......i also understand his predicament and have sympathy; but he also knows that the 'Nuremberg' defence was discredited some time ago - and some of what has been posted on here has been flat out BS....i.e the Nixon holiday stuff and AJ saying he can't do interviews....My reference to Comical Ali is meant to be he now sounds as ridiculous as that guy did - and it's a GREAT shame... As I pointed out in reply to another of your posts, what officialcufc said was that Nixon would be in a couple of days LAST WEEK, nothing at all about whether he was away this week or not. Fair enough bashing the club when they contradict themselves/appear to bullshit, but sometimes people need to actually read what's posted first. thecumbrians.boards.net/post/96406/thread
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moorlad
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Post by moorlad on Jun 10, 2015 11:12:49 GMT
That post could then surely have continued with "his holidays are booked from .......... to ............", or did he not want anybody to know?
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