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Post by thetashkentterror on Jun 14, 2015 21:39:08 GMT
Jabo Ibehre and a bloke from Mansfield with a really long throw. Can't imagine for the life of me what type of football Curle wants to continue with.
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Post by theblueboys on Jun 14, 2015 22:07:44 GMT
Jabo Ibehre and a bloke from Mansfield with a really long throw. Can't imagine for the life of me what type of football Curle wants to continue with. You mean were signing a guy from Mansfield? Or do you mean we signed Raynes from Mansfield and Miller from Lincoln who apparently has a long throw
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Post by thetashkentterror on Jun 15, 2015 6:59:10 GMT
Aye, Lincoln sorry. Getting confused with all the excitement.
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Post by mashiniblick on Jun 15, 2015 7:29:27 GMT
Wasting £1,000's getting a pitch like a billiard table and Curle building a squad ready for hoofball.
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Post by northumbrian on Jun 15, 2015 8:01:59 GMT
Jabo Ibehre is a decent enough player for L2. He is a right handful, has a bit of pace and is pretty physical... but lets not pretend he is an amazing striker please... we have all seen him enough times to know that isn't true. He is what we need, in terms of someone who can hold a ball up, but he won't score that many goals. He could actually be useful for Wyke and Beck to learn from too, as they are both pretty hopeless at holding the ball up and linking play currently. My big concern though is that this signals Curle's intention to continue trying to turn us into Wimbledon mark 2. If we use Ibehre the right way, as a focal point for a passing team to bring midfielders like Dempsey into the game, then great. If we use Ibehre to try to win flick on's after 60 yard punts upfield then it will be crap. I can't watch another season of the hoofball sh1t we served up last season personally... that isn't entertainment. Crowds will suffer if that is the way he intends to play next season... I will give him the benefit of the doubt until I see how we play Ibehre, but I have to admit that I am a bit concerned about what it potentially says about our gameplan for next season.
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Post by nobbyblue on Jun 15, 2015 8:14:25 GMT
Aye he's no going to get you a lot of goals (averages about 7 a season) but he'll certainly keep defenders occupied to let Wyke and Rigg benefit hopefully.
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Post by gundog on Jun 15, 2015 8:16:27 GMT
Whilst I agree with the footballing sentiments I also think KC doesn't want us to be the lightweight pushovers we have been for the last three seasons.
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Post by chesterviabothel on Jun 15, 2015 8:19:28 GMT
Aye he's no going to get you a lot of goals (averages about 7 a season) but he'll certainly keep defenders occupied to let Wyke and Rigg benefit hopefully. Not dissimilar to when Holmes played alongside Hawley...
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Post by cheadleblue on Jun 15, 2015 8:47:12 GMT
Jabo Ibehre is a decent enough player for L2. He is a right handful, has a bit of pace and is pretty physical... but lets not pretend he is an amazing striker please... we have all seen him enough times to know that isn't true. He is what we need, in terms of someone who can hold a ball up, but he won't score that many goals. He could actually be useful for Wyke and Beck to learn from too, as they are both pretty hopeless at holding the ball up and linking play currently. My big concern though is that this signals Curle's intention to continue trying to turn us into Wimbledon mark 2. If we use Ibehre the right way, as a focal point for a passing team to bring midfielders like Dempsey into the game, then great. If we use Ibehre to try to win flick on's after 60 yard punts upfield then it will be crap. I can't watch another season of the hoofball sh1t we served up last season personally... that isn't entertainment. Crowds will suffer if that is the way he intends to play next season... I will give him the benefit of the doubt until I see how we play Ibehre, but I have to admit that I am a bit concerned about what it potentially says about our gameplan for next season. I assume by Wimbledon mark 2 you don't mean becoming an established Premier League team and winning an FA Cup? Whatever tactics Curle employs, if it's successful few would moan.
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Post by nobbyblue on Jun 15, 2015 8:52:16 GMT
I've heard a few on here saying the football under Paul Simpson wasn't great. I never heard many complaining at the time! If we're winning games Curle's tactics will never be mentioned. I just can't see us winning many games.
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Post by northumbrian on Jun 15, 2015 10:32:31 GMT
Jabo Ibehre is a decent enough player for L2. He is a right handful, has a bit of pace and is pretty physical... but lets not pretend he is an amazing striker please... we have all seen him enough times to know that isn't true. He is what we need, in terms of someone who can hold a ball up, but he won't score that many goals. He could actually be useful for Wyke and Beck to learn from too, as they are both pretty hopeless at holding the ball up and linking play currently. My big concern though is that this signals Curle's intention to continue trying to turn us into Wimbledon mark 2. If we use Ibehre the right way, as a focal point for a passing team to bring midfielders like Dempsey into the game, then great. If we use Ibehre to try to win flick on's after 60 yard punts upfield then it will be crap. I can't watch another season of the hoofball sh1t we served up last season personally... that isn't entertainment. Crowds will suffer if that is the way he intends to play next season... I will give him the benefit of the doubt until I see how we play Ibehre, but I have to admit that I am a bit concerned about what it potentially says about our gameplan for next season. I assume by Wimbledon mark 2 you don't mean becoming an established Premier League team and winning an FA Cup? Whatever tactics Curle employs, if it's successful few would moan. I was really referring to the style of play... Yes it was successful for Wimbledon in the late "80's and early 90's ... Unfortunately the way the game is refereed nowadays means that approach would be much less successful. Things have moved on tactically since then... If that is our game plan then God help us. There is a big difference between the direct style under Simpson and the aimless hoofing under Curle. Simpson had a system and structure in place, everybody knew their job and although it was direct, you could see the plan and it was decent enough to watch. Hoofing the ball aimlessly forward, hoping somebody wins a flick on as we did last season won't see us finishing in the top half, and will probably lose us another 500-1,000 regular fans.
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Post by northumbrian on Jun 15, 2015 10:33:34 GMT
Aye he's no going to get you a lot of goals (averages about 7 a season) but he'll certainly keep defenders occupied to let Wyke and Rigg benefit hopefully. Not dissimilar to when Holmes played alongside Hawley... now all we need to do is find somebody like Hawley and somebody like Bridges to make that plan work.
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Post by chesterviabothel on Jun 15, 2015 10:39:22 GMT
Not dissimilar to when Holmes played alongside Hawley... now all we need to do is find somebody like Hawley and somebody like Bridges to make that plan work. I very much doubt that we will find someone of Bridges quality any time soon, but Rigg and Wyke showed more than a few flashes of being able to take chances in and around the box - alongside Dempsey breaking from midfield this could be exactly the kind of player we need. Alternatively, as some fear it could be signal that long ball football will dominate again next season.
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Post by northumbrian on Jun 15, 2015 11:07:26 GMT
now all we need to do is find somebody like Hawley and somebody like Bridges to make that plan work. I very much doubt that we will find someone of Bridges quality any time soon, but Rigg and Wyke showed more than a few flashes of being able to take chances in and around the box - alongside Dempsey breaking from midfield this could be exactly the kind of player we need. Alternatively, as some fear it could be signal that long ball football will dominate again next season. Agreed. I think he is a good signing because we don't have anyoine who can effectively hold the ball up currently. Hopefully Curle won't fall into the trap of playing too direct just because we have a big guy up front. The encouraging thing is that Ibehre has played in some decent footballing teams over the years.
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Post by moorlad on Jun 15, 2015 11:21:24 GMT
The whole of league 2 play some sort of hoofball tactics at times. To be honest a load of fancy little lightweight nancy boys playing against massive clumsy kickers won't really work very well. We'd all like our team to play great football, it would be fantastic. But Curle appears to be realistic enough to have realised that just is not going to happen. At least he appears to be making some attempt to ensure we don't have 11 great softies who can be pushed around by anybody over 4 foot 6 and 7 stone.
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Post by northumbrian on Jun 15, 2015 12:05:50 GMT
The whole of league 2 play some sort of hoofball tactics at times. To be honest a load of fancy little lightweight nancy boys playing against massive clumsy kickers won't really work very well. We'd all like our team to play great football, it would be fantastic. But Curle appears to be realistic enough to have realised that just is not going to happen. At least he appears to be making some attempt to ensure we don't have 11 great softies who can be pushed around by anybody over 4 foot 6 and 7 stone. To me it seemed that the top half teams tried to play decent football and had a few creative smaller players in the side with pace and ability... the bottom half teams were filled with journeyman cloggers who put a good shift in, and played much more direct football. There were exceptions to this rule.... but not many. Succesful teams normally have a balance between physicality/work rate and ability/creativity. We are hugely lacking in pace and creativity. Workrate and physicality can make up for that to an extent but rarely gets you promoted out of this division.
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Post by thelazylewisguy on Jun 15, 2015 12:08:06 GMT
Bury were the only side i was impressed with footballing wise, the rest just had more desire and a game plan which we seemed to lack
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Post by northumbrian on Jun 15, 2015 12:28:05 GMT
Bury were the only side i was impressed with footballing wise, the rest just had more desire and a game plan which we seemed to lack I thought we were outpassed many times last season by opposition... and a lot of teams had way more pace and creativity in the team. We are kidding oursleves if we think that adding a bit more desire will be good enough to get us promoted... we will see though I guess. Unless we add some pace and ability on the ball I can't see us being any great shakes next season.....I'd be amazed if we made it into the top 8 with the current squad.
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Post by wukkie on Jun 15, 2015 13:32:56 GMT
I'd be amazed if we made it into the top half!
If the Jabo signing goes through the transformation from a very good top five L1 team into struggling L2 cloggers is complete.
Isn't is supposed to be the other way round?
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Post by crunchblue on Jun 15, 2015 13:34:59 GMT
Considering Jabo has been playing in league 1 for the past 9 years, I don't know how you come to the conclusion that he alone will transform us into league 2 cloggers.
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Post by moorlad on Jun 15, 2015 13:43:00 GMT
I didn't think he meant him alone, I thought what he meant was the final piece of the jigsaw will have been found. In all honesty we have a load of cloggers in the main already, but with nobody to get isolated from the rest of the team by thirty yards and head the ball aimlessly into a space where there is no Carlisle player within 50 yards. I think Wukkie sees Ibehre as the ideal candidate for that sort of job.
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Post by crunchblue on Jun 15, 2015 14:24:16 GMT
He was up for his medical on Thursday. I assume BBCRC following him on Twitter means it went well. This for definite? I would have thought it would have been confirmed by now if he'd completed his medical on Thursday
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Post by sirjimmyglass on Jun 15, 2015 14:31:52 GMT
Could have always failed it cos he's dead old like, eh?
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Post by daviejones on Jun 15, 2015 14:36:12 GMT
He was up for his medical on Thursday. I assume BBCRC following him on Twitter means it went well. This for definite? I would have thought it would have been confirmed by now if he'd completed his medical on Thursday Maybe he's taken another deal? Otherwise I can't see what would drag it out for 5 extra days.
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Post by moorlad on Jun 15, 2015 14:48:14 GMT
Nixon and Jenkins are too busy chasing round the world after the mystery billionaire to muck around with anything like that.
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Post by thelazylewisguy on Jun 15, 2015 15:09:55 GMT
He was up for his medical on Thursday. I assume BBCRC following him on Twitter means it went well. This for definite? I would have thought it would have been confirmed by now if he'd completed his medical on Thursday some players have medicals before entering money talks, maybe whats happening here
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Post by thelazylewisguy on Jun 15, 2015 15:38:20 GMT
just read the Billy Paynter thread from when he signed. shows we know nothing really (me included)
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Post by cufcshark on Jun 15, 2015 15:52:57 GMT
He was up for his medical on Thursday. I assume BBCRC following him on Twitter means it went well. This for definite? I would have thought it would have been confirmed by now if he'd completed his medical on Thursday That's what I was told by someone who works within the club, how well the medical went, or why it's taken so long to announce, I don't know.
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Post by seabird on Jun 15, 2015 16:21:32 GMT
He has always looked a decent player when we have played against him , he is not just a big unit he can hold the ball up with a good touch, he also scores goals. I hope the deal goes through.
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Post by dunaskinblue on Jun 15, 2015 20:59:04 GMT
My gut feeling is that KC already has him committed to sign, but drawing out the story for a day or three more has it's value, some might say in more ways than one.
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