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Post by CarlisleReiver on Jun 9, 2015 12:06:29 GMT
This has to good news for us, considering we are one of the last ones to upgrade our stadium. Maybe the blueYonder designs might have to be re-drawn. With less space needed with a rail seating system, maybe we could fit into the Viaduct area and still have 18-20,000 capacity with a smaller ground? Celtic secure green light for rail seating
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Post by dancingbear on Jun 9, 2015 12:44:49 GMT
It i click that link will my computer blow up?
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Post by mashiniblick on Jun 9, 2015 12:47:38 GMT
So they won't be known as the 'Green Seat Brigade' anymore?
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Post by CarlisleReiver on Jun 9, 2015 12:52:29 GMT
Doesn't really matter that it's Celtic DB it's the ramifications for British football and BP.
What do Liverpool fans think of this news as Celtic won't be the last club to get rail seats?
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Post by reality on Jun 9, 2015 13:21:53 GMT
Common sense basically.
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Post by reality on Jun 9, 2015 13:33:02 GMT
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Post by nobbyblue on Jun 9, 2015 14:06:56 GMT
I canna see the point of that kind of standing area. It's either sitting in a seat or standing on a terracing.
Standing in one place is sh!t you might as well be sitting.
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Post by reality on Jun 9, 2015 14:09:02 GMT
I am not a great fan of it like but think it is the only way you will see it in England at the all seaters now. When this topic comes up I always think of old blokes who want to sit down to watch the match but have folk standing up in front of them all game etc.. far better for sections to exist where people who do want to stand can do so.
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Post by jackcufc on Jun 9, 2015 16:02:11 GMT
All we need to do is get rid of allocated seating
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Post by 142gimp on Jun 9, 2015 16:13:41 GMT
12 of us went to Stuttgart v Mainz four weeks ago got tickets in the section just above the terrace ,stayed there for first half then went on terrace second half still with beer in hand got right into what is probably the best atmosphere I can remember in the last 30 years at the end of the game 12 cynical middle aged men were some of the last out of the ground ,the onl thing all seater stadiums have brought to our game is the ability to do a Mexican wave , standing has always been safe as the standing at rugby games prove or is it just upper/middle class people who can be trusted to stand and watch sport
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Post by mashiniblick on Jun 9, 2015 16:20:22 GMT
All seater stadiums where probably the brainchild of some jobs worth H&S tw@t! Why people choose seating over terracing is beyond me.
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Post by reality on Jun 9, 2015 16:24:00 GMT
12 of us went to Stuttgart v Mainz four weeks ago got tickets in the section just above the terrace ,stayed there for first half then went on terrace second half still with beer in hand got right into what is probably the best atmosphere I can remember in the last 30 years at the end of the game 12 cynical middle aged men were some of the last out of the ground ,the onl thing all seater stadiums have brought to our game is the ability to do a Mexican wave , standing has always been safe as the standing at rugby games prove or is it just upper/middle class people who can be trusted to stand and watch sport Big game that at Stuttgart as well, different world watching Football in Germany to England - no rush to leave either with being able to have a beer so easily. Them payment cards are a pain at Stuttgart mind, think it was 20 euro deposit when I went. It is 130 euros next season for a standing season ticket at Wolfsburg, some going that.
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Post by 142gimp on Jun 9, 2015 17:14:47 GMT
Bought tickets 5 weeks before the game £21 print your own ticket must have been about 60 lads on our flight going to the game some had season tickets cost us £150 for flights ,return train to Manchester airport,4*hotel for 2 nights and a match ticket better value and experience than any level in this country
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Post by reality on Jun 9, 2015 17:21:36 GMT
It is a good flight that Ryanair one from Manchester that some use, great times like.
More and more people seem to be doing it - so much more than the usual ones of Hamburg, Bayern and Dortmund to see.
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Post by champions95 on Jun 9, 2015 20:31:44 GMT
All we need to do is get rid of allocated seating Absolutely. Everyone sits where they want. Those who want to stand go and do so at the back and the stewards agree to leave them alone (this has always worked well at Stevenage for example). Those that want to stay seated, especially those older supporters, can go nearer the front and watch the game unobstructed. It's all just common sense and, crucially, every supporter realising that the entire event is not being put on purely for their benefit!
Anyone who sits near the front and assumes that everyone else has paid to look at their back for 90 minutes is immediately labelled a selfish twat and the stewards can use a cattle prod on them!
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Post by reality on Jun 9, 2015 20:42:12 GMT
The above works alright at places where you don't get sell outs but not at ones that do sell out for me.
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Post by deeksme on Jun 9, 2015 21:10:24 GMT
The above works alright at places where you don't get sell outs but not at ones that do sell out for me. Think I read that if you have unallocated seating for football league games then you can only sell 95% of tickets. Something like that anyway.
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Post by reality on Jun 9, 2015 21:17:43 GMT
Be chaos at some places like with unallocated seating, can understand 1 section in home end but unworkable at away sections.
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Post by CarlisleReiver on Jun 12, 2015 8:58:48 GMT
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Post by cufcmike on Jun 12, 2015 10:52:37 GMT
Most Liverpool fans I know are in favour of safe standing. At the end of the day, Hillsborough wasn't caused by terracing. If you let that many fans into an all seater stand, the outcome would have been exactly the same, if not worse.
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Post by jackcufc on Jun 12, 2015 13:17:53 GMT
Be chaos at some places like with unallocated seating, can understand 1 section in home end but unworkable at away sections. Why would it be unworkable in away sections?
Sunderland away was a poor atmosphere because everyone who wanted to chant were separated.
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Post by reality on Jun 12, 2015 13:22:17 GMT
Because a Club like Man United who take a lot of "lads" away who would roll in at 5 to 3, that is pretty much all you need to know.
This would be the case if they put that rail seating in as well, not everyone is able to stick to sitting/standing in their allocated place. Not saying it wouldn't work at some places - say a Norwich away end but with some Clubs fans it would be chaos.
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Post by dancingbear on Jun 12, 2015 13:29:00 GMT
Be chaos at some places like with unallocated seating, can understand 1 section in home end but unworkable at away sections. Why would it be unworkable in away sections?
Sunderland away was a poor atmosphere because everyone who wanted to chant were separated.
How do other clubs manage it?
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Post by jackcufc on Jun 12, 2015 13:38:16 GMT
Well all supporters of Prem teams stand at away games so allocation isn't a big issue for them. I went to Sunderland V Cardiff a few seasons ago and the whole Sunderland home end behind the goal were stood up.
dancingbear - A lot of clubs don't manage it.
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Post by reality on Jun 12, 2015 13:39:54 GMT
Well all supporters of Prem teams stand at away games so allocation isn't a big issue for them. I went to Sunderland V Cardiff a few seasons ago and the whole Sunderland home end behind the goal were stood up. dancingbear - A lot of clubs don't manage it. Every single fan for 90 minutes? That right eh, never knew that - will keep an eye out for that on the tv next season.
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Post by jackcufc on Jun 12, 2015 14:01:20 GMT
unallocated seating for the Sunderland game would have made it a much better atmosphere. People who want to chant group together at the back and people who don't sit and enjoy the game without their view being obstructed.
More than half of Man Utd's 'lads' probably arrive at 5 to 3 anyway but, like I've said before, it doesn't matter because they all stand.
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Post by reality on Jun 12, 2015 14:03:40 GMT
Missed the point pal, there won't be a space ready for them all to go in to.
Your theory works at some places but not at others.
You mean "unallocated" don't you?
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Post by dancingbear on Jun 12, 2015 14:13:24 GMT
The atmosphere at Sunderland was crap for a number of reasons. The away end stretched out as it was wasnt the best, not a lot of home fans, average team performance, fans who were there who go once or twice a season, disenchanted regulars looking forward to the prospect of relegation to the conference. All of those are far bigger reasons than allocated seating. I remember the win at Morecambe not long before and the atmosphere wasnt brilliant either and that was standing.
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Post by jackcufc on Jun 12, 2015 14:14:04 GMT
Fair enough, I can see what you're saying.
Yeah I meant unallocated, edited now.
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Post by reality on Jun 12, 2015 14:16:45 GMT
You know two of the biggest problems that stops standing from happening and causes people to leave it late to get in - the fact you cannot take a beer on the stand/terrace and also how bloody hard it is to get a beer at the Ground. If these issues were sorted people would be much happier and in the long term everyone would win - Clubs because people going in Ground earlier and buying more ale and fans because it wouldn't be such a moody, exhaustive carry on to get a quick pint.
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