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Post by CUFCGretna on Jun 9, 2014 16:55:44 GMT
Any one got any stories on the Border City Firm? Were they notorious or just a local thing, I know Paul Dodd was part of it but was he hard, or just the usual moron? I'm not in any way glorifying football violence by asking the question I just interested to hear any stories from around the 80's I never watched Carlisle in the 80's but can remember the Hibs and Aberdeen fans being bad when my dad took to me to games in the 80's. The "Firm" part is very Scottish did the BCF have a Scottish element?  |
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Post by mojo on Jun 9, 2014 16:57:58 GMT
you should ask thecumbriancrew / almostblueheaven. he still has his 'firm' doesn't he? he's quick enough to threaten to send the boys round if he takes a dislike to you.  |
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Post by siamesedream on Jun 9, 2014 17:08:20 GMT
you should ask thecumbriancrew / almostblueheaven. he still has his 'firm' doesn't he? he's quick enough to threaten to send the boys round if he takes a dislike to you. Maybe ask 'sacktheboard' too  |
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Post by mojo on Jun 9, 2014 17:20:43 GMT
you should ask thecumbriancrew / almostblueheaven. he still has his 'firm' doesn't he? he's quick enough to threaten to send the boys round if he takes a dislike to you. Maybe ask 'sacktheboard' too couldn't remember the other one. |
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Post by superhans on Jun 9, 2014 18:00:36 GMT
The firms when I started going as a young lad in the early eighties were hard as nails and liked a good tear up.
Didn't one of the firms in the mid eighties kick off in Mansfield, I seem to remember reading a lot about it in the paper at the time.
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Post by thecumbriancrew on Jun 9, 2014 18:17:39 GMT
The BCF were a very poor imitation of what went before them i.d have put the lads who used to go on BB.s Bus and the likes of Stubby up against anyone.
Oh and BTW Paul Dodds dad was ten times the man he was and Paul wasnt even the hardest or indeed the brightest of the brothers but i.m sure Melbourne will be along soon to tell me i.m wrong.
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Post by thecumbriancrew on Jun 9, 2014 18:24:42 GMT
The firms when I started going as a young lad in the early eighties were hard as nails and liked a good tear up. Didn't one of the firms in the mid eighties kick off in Mansfield, I seem to remember reading a lot about it in the paper at the time. Think you might be on about the cup game in 1975 but that was a bit tame after what went on on the previous round at Preston when we had over 50 arrested including the afore mentioned Stubby who made the front page of the Mirror when he got nicked for having a mace.He got 6 months i think and missed the rest of the first division season. I.ve still got that paper somewhere and just think you get 6 months for farting at the wrong time nowadays. |
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Post by thecumbriancrew on Jun 9, 2014 18:28:03 GMT
you should ask thecumbriancrew / almostblueheaven. he still has his 'firm' doesn't he? he's quick enough to threaten to send the boys round if he takes a dislike to you. The boys who work for me on that sort of job have nothing to do with football Mojo most of them are steroid addicted body builders as it happens. |
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Post by superhans on Jun 9, 2014 19:18:26 GMT
"when he got nicked for having a mace" Shouldn't laugh but imagine someone running at you swinging a ******* mace, you would **** yourself  |
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Post by orfc on Jun 9, 2014 19:30:58 GMT
one of the lads in the photo at the top is swinging a kwik save round his head
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Post by champions95 on Jun 9, 2014 19:59:19 GMT
"They had a twattish element"
Is there any other kind of football hooligan?
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Post by CUFCGretna on Jun 9, 2014 20:16:12 GMT
"They had a twattish element" Is there any other kind of football hooligan? er, No! |
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Post by dentonholmersimpson on Jun 9, 2014 20:29:48 GMT
Remember the Preston game, packed in the away end with half of Cumbria in there,lads from Shap,Aspatria and all over were regulars back then.
Remember Stubby, rumour he was swinging a park bench at the Preston fans, never mind a mace.
Mansfield was quiet compared, just a few of their fans came in the away end and were soon despatched by some boys from Pirelli.
Not Nixon btw.
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Post by dancingbear on Jun 9, 2014 21:10:20 GMT
So thats why they still get discounted season tickets |
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Post by pounewatchysgloves on Jun 9, 2014 21:41:32 GMT
Know a lad that used to be part of the old geordie N.M.E and the Bender squad,pre Newcastle gremlins.Apparently they didn't really rate the carlisle firm that highly,but said they were always handy at England games.
Me personally,I've got no time for football violence...each to their own though eh!
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Post by trotter on Jun 9, 2014 21:50:52 GMT
Never understood it all, read Paul Dodds book a few years ago which features the photo above v Wigan if memory serves me right. What is he up to these days i wonder?
Never really seen much violence at any of our games for years now, the last probably being on Leeds first visit
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Post by cousinscotty on Jun 9, 2014 22:03:45 GMT
one of the lads in the photo at the top is swinging a kwik save round his head Carrier bags at ten paces! Working in Botchergate, I miss Kwik Save... |
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Post by superhans on Jun 9, 2014 23:50:30 GMT
I remember it as Lennons supermarket, then you had Presto over the road.
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Post by CarlisleReiver on Jun 10, 2014 5:40:25 GMT
I would never buy a book by a football hooligan never mind an author such as Paul Dodd.
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Post by nobbyblue on Jun 10, 2014 7:18:59 GMT
did the BCF have a Scottish element? They had a twattish element. The Inter City Firm (Leeds United) were very competitive in the 'Thug Premier League' but the absolute best were The Lakes Line Action Group. Even now they scornfully refer to Paul Dodd as Ken. The Inter City firm were West Ham. Leeds hooligans were the Service Crew, a particularly nasty bunch by all accounts. I used to go home and away in the 80s and saw very little of the BCF to be honest as far as I can remember. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 7:35:51 GMT
Be Not And Just Fear 1 nobbyblue 0
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Post by nobbyblue on Jun 10, 2014 7:52:56 GMT
Have I made a faux pas?
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Post by dancingbear on Jun 10, 2014 8:05:10 GMT
On another note did any read about the Hibs lot trailing round Bendidorm a couple of weeks back with tshirts with CCS 30 years on top or summat on getting a seeing to off some Leeds lot?.
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Post by carlislewhite on Jun 10, 2014 10:48:52 GMT
It was Leeds lads on a stag do apparently, not Service Crew as far as I am aware.
Hibs lot looking for bother and the stag do lads turned on them.
Was all over the Edinburgh papers.
Bear in mind the Service Crew lads from the eighties will all be in their fifties now (not that their is anything wrong with being in your fifties mind)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 10:58:46 GMT
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Post by screamingbluemurder on Jun 10, 2014 11:01:36 GMT
one of the lads in the photo at the top is swinging a kwik save round his head Carrier bags at ten paces! Working in Botchergate, I miss Kwik Save... Mace was a supermarket too wasn't it - sure this is what Barry meant... |
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Post by dancingbear on Jun 10, 2014 11:08:21 GMT
Yeah i doubt youd go in the Ibrox bar with CCS tops on unless you were trying to say something. Im told that bar is a bit out of the way so not the type of bar youd expect a load of Hibs fans to be drinking in anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 11:13:06 GMT
Can´t really see why you would wear one full stop in all honesty.
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Post by dancingbear on Jun 10, 2014 12:16:29 GMT
No it does seem a bit strange.
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Post by beefsister on Jun 10, 2014 18:02:39 GMT
Last i heard Paul Dodd was a herion addict who weighed about 9 stone and had nae teeth left.
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