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Lewis Guy
Dec 27, 2013 16:12:13 GMT
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Post by Paddockite on Dec 27, 2013 16:12:13 GMT
Just me that thinks he should be starting?
Some of our best results and performances have been when he's been upfront. Decent on the ball, a real hard worker, and we actually pass it when he's upfront.
I'd prefer him as the lone striker, not Miller.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 16:15:38 GMT
Ill admit he`s a better craig curran. He will run all day but theres very little end product.
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Post by mojo on Dec 27, 2013 16:50:38 GMT
i think he'd do well up front with Lawrence.
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Post by bejustandfearprokas on Dec 27, 2013 16:54:03 GMT
Yeah I think him and Miller would form a good partnership.
I didn't watch much of pre-season, but a lot were excited about how the two of them seemed to be linking up nicely together.
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Lewis Guy
Dec 27, 2013 16:56:17 GMT
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Post by crunchblue on Dec 27, 2013 16:56:17 GMT
Nope.
If we're going down the 4-4-2 route with Miller and someone alongside him, I'd rather that someone alongside him be Tom Lawrence.
Cannot fault Guy's attitude and work rate, but the lad couldn't score in a brothel and his all round game isn't as good as Miller's.
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Post by mojo on Dec 27, 2013 17:04:56 GMT
Nope. If we're going down the 4-4-2 route with Miller and someone alongside him, I'd rather that someone alongside him be Tom Lawrence. Cannot fault Guy's attitude and work rate, but the lad couldn't score in a brothel and his all round game isn't as good as Miller's. who said it has to be miller with someone? why cant it be someone else with someone? i.e. guy and lawrence. at least they both have a bit of pace and will chase a ball further than 3 feet away, unlike miller.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 17:06:38 GMT
Cannot drop captain fantastic though. Abbott said.
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Post by bejustandfearprokas on Dec 27, 2013 17:20:27 GMT
Miller could do no wrong under Abbott, but do you think it's still the same under Kav?
Still, I'd rather keep Miller in the team but not up there by himself. Either with Guy or Lawrence while we've got him.
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Lewis Guy
Dec 27, 2013 18:43:52 GMT
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Post by crunchblue on Dec 27, 2013 18:43:52 GMT
Nope. If we're going down the 4-4-2 route with Miller and someone alongside him, I'd rather that someone alongside him be Tom Lawrence. Cannot fault Guy's attitude and work rate, but the lad couldn't score in a brothel and his all round game isn't as good as Miller's. who said it has to be miller with someone? why cant it be someone else with someone? i.e. guy and lawrence. at least they both have a bit of pace and will chase a ball further than 3 feet away, unlike miller. Me. I said it has to be miller and someone, because the only alternatives are Beck and Guy. Neither are good enough. That's if we're playing 442. My personal opinion is this group of players can't play that formation. We become far too open and concede goals for fun. I'd stick with the front 3 as it is. Preston were very well organised and dealt with us well, but the previous 2 home games we scored 7 goals and created enough chances to double that. I wouldn't be too hasty in changing it.
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Post by almostblueheaven on Dec 27, 2013 18:59:31 GMT
I cant see the point of ever playing with just a lone striker
Miller would be twice the player if he had a partner with who he could build an understanding with who would become the target man who would take the stick and do the lay offs for him like strikers used to and hunt together as a pack like they used to in the old days but wether that man is Guy or even Beck for that matter is open to debate but i do know a striker who could do that job who will be available very soon.
But then you have the problem finding two players who are equally adept as full backs as they are as wingers who can get up and down the the wide areas and that to me is where the difficulty arises and i believe the club should find a couple of youngsters and spend time, patiece and money in developing them as players who could fill these roles long term.
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Post by mojo on Dec 27, 2013 19:01:39 GMT
for the very few pluses miller brings to the game, he loses them for his insistent constant falling over which isn't fooling anyone anymore least of all the ref. when he rolls his eyes at you at gestures for you to get up after you've tried it on for the first 15 minutes, it's time to pack it in and try to do what you're paid to do. stay on your feet and score goals. i'd play him as a 'impact' player, albeit a low impact, for the last 15 minutes. at least when everyone else is knackered he won't be that far off the pace.
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Lewis Guy
Dec 27, 2013 19:51:50 GMT
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Post by crunchblue on Dec 27, 2013 19:51:50 GMT
Most of them are fouls though. He didn't go over that often yesterday but the few times he did, I'd say the majority of them were fouls. The Huntington rugby tackle in the box was a stone wall penalty, I know the keeper might have got the ball anyway, but Huntington denied miller a chance to attack the cross - Penalty. Even the little pushes in the back, they are fouls.
The officiating in this league is absolutely appauling, some of the decisions yesterday were baffling. The miss for their number 7 which resulted in a corner was laughable. The diving late lunge from Chantler on their midfielder that stopped a counter attack was great for us, but a shocking decision by the ref not to even give a foul. I don't know if Ehmer was offside or not, I couldn't tell at the time, but the linesman got quite a lot of offside decisions wrong.
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Lewis Guy
Dec 27, 2013 20:15:47 GMT
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Post by Cufcpunditry on Dec 27, 2013 20:15:47 GMT
Miller, when he's not looking to go to ground, is our only option if we are to play one up. On the other hand I think he's more effective with someone playing off him, and 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 leaves him too isolated so nobody gets on the end of his flick-ons. I think we need him to be playing well for us to play well though. Guy instead of him doesn't do the same job and Beck isn't good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 20:20:37 GMT
Abbott once described Miller as our best defender, as his hold up play keeps the ball up the right end. To a degree i understand his point. Just a shame his lay-offs find an oppo shirt.
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Post by mojo on Dec 27, 2013 20:29:40 GMT
but that's the point isn't it. most of them aren't fouls. the one's that are, he gets them given. it's the ones where he gets the slightest brush from opposing players and he goes down holding his head as if he's been welted by a bit of 4x2 that are a bit of a shan. he's old enough and experienced enough to know that if the ref isn't falling for it any more, he needs to stay on his feet and play football. i feel he goes down easily because he knows he can't compete any more.
never a penalty. ever. the only one who called for one was miller and even that was half hearted. maybe if he stayed on his feet more, he'd maybe get some of the 50/50 calls that he tries so hard to get.
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Lewis Guy
Dec 27, 2013 20:30:53 GMT
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Post by crunchblue on Dec 27, 2013 20:30:53 GMT
Flick ons are not millers strength IMO. He's far more effective with the ball played into his feet. The Brentford game was an example of this, his layoffs were more precise and most of our attacks went through him. He can also hold it up well when it's played into his feet. When the ball is launched to his head he either gets fouled, gets out jumped or at best he gets a headed flick on that nobody reads.
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Lewis Guy
Dec 27, 2013 20:34:04 GMT
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Post by crunchblue on Dec 27, 2013 20:34:04 GMT
You're wrong I'm afraid mojo, most of them are fouls. You may think they are soft, but a push is a push, it's still a foul.
And it was a penalty, although pushes, rugby tackles and shirt pulling doesn't seem to get penalised so although it should have been a pen, I wasn't surprised that it wasn't given.
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Post by mojo on Dec 27, 2013 20:49:20 GMT
i think we'll agree to disagree on this. what i'm saying is that when the ref's not buying it any more, try something else. like staying upright and playing football, you never know you might be good at it. it's a good job the ref doesn't give every single push, pull or whatever, the game would never go more 30 seconds without being stopped. just keep an eye out for how often o'hanlan gets away with it.
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Lewis Guy
Dec 27, 2013 21:42:49 GMT
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Post by crunchblue on Dec 27, 2013 21:42:49 GMT
Yeah we'll agree to disagree. And yes I've seen ohanlon and livesey do it a lot.
All I would say on that point about the game stopping every 30 seconds, if the refs clamped down on it and players realised they weren't getting away with it, they'd stop doing it.
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Lewis Guy
Dec 28, 2013 0:10:18 GMT
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Post by sum_baynton on Dec 28, 2013 0:10:18 GMT
"Just me that thinks he should be starting? "
I sincerely hope so. Lewis Guy has a goalscoring record that makes Curran look prolific. Inthecity- Paul Thirlwell is the captain of Carlisle United, not Lee Miller.
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Lewis Guy
Dec 28, 2013 0:39:15 GMT
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Post by northumbrian on Dec 28, 2013 0:39:15 GMT
Guys a decent enough squad player, reasonable on the ball and hard working. HOWEVER... He doesn't really have the physical presence to play as a linking lone striker... He has an appalling scoring record over a long career and has no pace. Very very average at this level. What does he bring to the team would be my question? He doesn't score, isn't good in the air, has no pace.. I just don't see what his role is.
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Post by mojo on Dec 28, 2013 9:19:29 GMT
has no pace? we talking about the same Guy? Lewis Guy the footballer not Guy Pearce from 'Neighbours'?
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Post by stamfordblue on Dec 28, 2013 9:31:03 GMT
When it came to strikers Abbot had a blind spot. Whilst Guy may be a good squad man his record is not one that suggests he will ever be prolific in front of goal. Miller has gone backwards and Beck will no doubt only improve once he has left Carlisle. There are too many players in the squad who need shifting on but are under contract so sadly until we can get rid we will need to rely on Guy and Miller to do the business.
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Lewis Guy
Dec 28, 2013 11:00:09 GMT
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Post by northumbrian on Dec 28, 2013 11:00:09 GMT
has no pace? we talking about the same Guy? Lewis Guy the footballer not Guy Pearce from 'Neighbours'? I'm not saying he is slow... He is about average. But you can't say pace is a major asset of his. All I'm saying is he is not great in the air, doesn't have great pace, is not great at holding the ball up... Is rarely a goal threat... What are his strengths? Answer me that Mojo? What exactly does he bring to the team... Apart from a bit of effort. I'm not saying he is a terrible player ... He is decent enough at all the areas mentioned above... Unfortunately he is a Jack of all trades and a master of none. He basically is the Cumbrian Curran.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2013 11:31:09 GMT
Thats about the only Guy has got going for him. Pace. He needs to be careful though, it took him what, 3 mins to be yellow carded for a late one?
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Lewis Guy
Dec 28, 2013 22:56:05 GMT
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Post by Paddockite on Dec 28, 2013 22:56:05 GMT
Does not get the credit he deserves.
He's actually got a very good touch, see MK away, Wolves at home, Oldham away.
He's an effective player, and is something different. Yes he's not a goalscorer, but he gets in behind, runs the channels really well. Actually eases the pressure off the team. We also pass it with him up there, and don't just hoof it. Actually makes the midfield think, and do something different. And, god forbid, support and get in attacking positions.
Maybe not starting every game, but that game vs Preston was a perfect game for him. Get the ball in behind, actually pressure then from the front. Let him run onto through balls, there defence was slow, we did not exploit it.
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Post by mojo on Dec 29, 2013 12:51:13 GMT
agree with everything paddockite says. wasted opportunity against preston, him and lawrence would have caused them problems.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 13:18:39 GMT
Thats not what Abbott will have texted Kav to do though.
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Lewis Guy
Dec 29, 2013 13:27:22 GMT
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Post by cufcmike on Dec 29, 2013 13:27:22 GMT
Controversial, but I think I preferred Curran.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 13:33:32 GMT
Curran scored 8 in 57 apps for us. and 37 in total in a career starting in 2006. (6 clubs)
Guy scored 1 in 12 apps (not including friendlies). 30 career goals since 2004 (8 clubs)
Same player, different colour hair.
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