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Post by seesaw50 on Jan 1, 2014 13:26:47 GMT
How many will be here by tea time today and should that worthy (some may disagree) organisation - The Big Issue - be limiting it's involvement with said nationals from becoming sellers on our streets.
IMO - yes they should.
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Post by alwaysright on Jan 1, 2014 13:39:40 GMT
I think the country has already started to capsize with the weight of the millions of people flooding in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 14:33:47 GMT
This debate could go on and on.
For what its worth, the only thing that annoys me is when they try to influence our way of life, by getting upset and offended by stuff.
We, as a country, have no backbone whatsoever on that subject. It makes a lot of people inadvertently racist because of it.
Id like to see my daughter in a proper Nativity play, but we wont. And why cant they sing ba-ba black sheep anymore? I suppose im rambling and missing the point of the title thread so ill shut up :-p
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Post by southblue on Jan 1, 2014 14:42:32 GMT
Why can't you see your daughter in a proper nativity play? And who's stopping anyone from singing ba-ba black sheep? These sound like myths promulgated by the Daily Mail to me.
I have no problem with the freedom of movement that the EU affords us. And I certainly don't mind people from other EU states coming to the UK doing the jobs that UK-born citizens cannot be bothered to do. We live in a multi-cultural society these days and I think that diverse communities are much more interesting and and rewarding to live in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 14:52:26 GMT
Im not opening up the can of worms already on show.
The schools teach them ba-ba rainbow sheep, and this years nativity was, again, nothing to do with the birth of baby Jesus. (as usual) Jack and the Beanstalk i think.
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Post by alwaysright on Jan 1, 2014 15:07:55 GMT
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Post by schillingLatchcortina on Jan 1, 2014 15:14:06 GMT
Beat me to it Always. It's annoying when people report the facts wrong (and even more so when other people believe them). I remember this story the first time around and I believe the words to many (not just ba-ba) nursery rhymes were amended as a trial to help teach kids about adjectives - nothing to do with PC or race issues. I wish more important news items went viral as quickly as some of these mythical minor stories. |
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Post by mojo on Jan 1, 2014 15:47:54 GMT
let anyone in with a trade or skill which is either lacking here or will enhance the place. the 3 month thing before you can claim benefits / nhs treatment etc should be at least 6 months minimum.
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Post by seesaw50 on Jan 1, 2014 16:23:21 GMT
mojo it is -this is not new legislation the 3 month thing.....but on the Big Issue issue! many Eastern European incomers, find a way into the benefit system because they can class themselves as self employed BECAUSE they are making a pittance selling the BI then can claim a top up via benefits then as a result Rent Allowance - Housing Benefits which can`t be right!
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Post by cufcmike on Jan 1, 2014 16:25:07 GMT
The Daily Mail ran a story the other day saying all flights to the UK from Bulgaria on New Years Day were fully booked. A quick look on Skyscanner says otherwise. If I could speak the lingo of another nation, and earn 10x there, what I do here, I would jump at the chance. Yes, there are some that don't speak the best English. There are some that don't want to integrate into society, but there are plenty that do. I agree with Mojo though about benefits. I saw an article online awhile ago, from Bulgaria's equivalent of the job centre, trying really hard to actively encourage people to work in the UK. Their propaganda even reassured people that if they couldn't find work they could claim benefits. Net migration is still below 200,000 though. People seem to think there's billions of people flooding into this country, but what they forget is that being in the EU also enables British people to go and work elsewhere freely too. I don't fully support us being in the EU, but immigration does work both ways.
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Post by mojo on Jan 1, 2014 16:29:46 GMT
is it the aussies that won't let you claim anything for 12 month, or even going as far as making sure you have a cash sum to support yourself / family before they even let you in the counrty?
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Post by cufcmike on Jan 1, 2014 16:37:49 GMT
Aussie's immigration is "points based", I believe. You need a certain amount of points to be able to get in, and earn points for certain skills that are needed/having a job lined up/who is dependant on you, etc etc. So basically, you can get in without a job lined up, if you have the skills that they are short of.
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Post by thecryingcumbrian on Jan 1, 2014 17:11:35 GMT
I wonder if any of the millions of Romanians coming could do a job for us?
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Post by seesaw50 on Jan 1, 2014 17:53:47 GMT
the Ausies have it right IMO - I think the trouble is not the skilled and educated E.Europeans coming in it's the Roma who are blighting the towns where they all seem to be massing and setting up shantys -look at Hendon FCs ground. it's just been cleared of a massive make shift camp - Slough - areas of London- if it was a place I lived I would be kicking off at the government big time. We don't seem to have enough powers or the will to stop these enclaves coming about. I would go on but my head hurts!
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Post by tramper on Jan 1, 2014 21:48:40 GMT
I agree with foxyblue1, I keep hearing & reading about Britain being a multi cultural society, which is fair comment, but these different cultural societies don't interact with the rest of society. Where I live there is a lot of Poles, try to pass the time of day with them & they give you a dirty look. I know what will be said is, they don't speak English, then what is the point of coming here.
The indigenous people of this country are rapidly becoming the ethnic minority, letting Bulgarians & Romanians in now is only going to make it worse.
Am I a racist, I wasn't, but politicians in this country & the eu are rapidly turning me into one, if i'm not there already. A country of "free speech" don't make me laugh.
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Post by seesaw50 on Jan 1, 2014 22:55:46 GMT
and tramper - did not these European architects of the master plan to allow free roaming of people and their re-settling in vast numbers, never think they were upsetting the roots of the world order. Foreigners (to us) have different standards and ways of living - some of us in this neck of the woods have a thing about folk from Wigton for gods sake or Gretna never mind bloody Romania. Why would anybody think it was a good idea to mix people speaking different languages and then say it enriches our country. Sorry it is PC nonsense!
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Post by northumbrian on Jan 2, 2014 8:22:13 GMT
The indigenous people of this country are rapidly becoming the ethnic minority, . Do you consider yourself to be indigenous to these Isles? I'd be willing to bet you aren't. I do understand some of your points though. Whilst I have no problem with skilled workers moving here and contributing to our society, I do have an issue with unskilled migrants moving to claim benefits... Fortunately this is a tiny minority so far. The vast majority of recent migrants do contribute to our economy, despite what the Mail says. The bigger problem is the benefit culture amongst our own population. How are these migrants finding work when our own youth apparently find it impossible? |
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Post by mojo on Jan 2, 2014 8:42:43 GMT
"The bigger problem is the benefit culture amongst our own population. How are these migrants finding work when our own youth apparently find it impossible?"
correct, northumbrian. this is where i think a lot of the dislike for the immigrants originated. our lot bleating on for years about there being no jobs blah blah then in waltz 20,000 poles straight into jobs that were always there. the 'benefit society' were found out. now they've changed their tune to the immigrants have taken all the jobs.
prepare for another round of Daily Mail warmongering.
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Post by mojo on Jan 2, 2014 8:47:09 GMT
oh, and the mass exodus from Romania and Bulgaria aint gonna happen. the one's that are heading this way have already left and if they're coming from anywhere they'll come from central europe where they have been working legally for 8 years since the 'barriers' came down.
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Post by tramper on Jan 2, 2014 13:06:19 GMT
The indigenous people of this country are rapidly becoming the ethnic minority, . Do you consider yourself to be indigenous to these Isles? I'd be willing to bet you aren't. You'd loose your bet Northumbrian, Carlisle born & bred. Fathers side have lived in Carlisle for generations & Mothers side are from Co Durham mining communities, a relative of mine is researching both family trees & we go further back than I could have imagined. Very interesting, can highly recommend it.  |
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Post by northumbrian on Jan 2, 2014 14:37:08 GMT
Do you consider yourself to be indigenous to these Isles? I'd be willing to bet you aren't. You'd loose your bet Northumbrian, Carlisle born & bred. Fathers side have lived in Carlisle for generations & Mothers side are from Co Durham mining communities, a relative of mine is researching both family trees & we go further back than I could have imagined. Very interesting, can highly recommend it. What I was really getting at is that there are virtually no "indigenous" British, if any at all that have purely indigenous generic heritage. The vast majority of the North East are from Denmark/northern Germany genetically... Indeed the majority of Carlisle are also likely to be similar... With some Norwegian/Celt/various other invaders mixed in. My point really is we are a race of mongrels... Always have been. We have been a hotch-pitch of different nationalities and races of people for hundreds of years. There really is no such thing as pure indigenous British. On the ancestry thing my uncle did our family tree... Unfortunately nobody of note... Just a bunch of gardeners and sheep rustlers lol |
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Post by mojo on Jan 2, 2014 15:13:00 GMT
i'm sure some folk from round here will be able to trace their roots back to the 1600's through parish registers and such.
i know i definitely can't. maybe one day i'll check mrs mojo's side.
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Post by tramper on Jan 2, 2014 15:57:41 GMT
Yeah you're right Northumbrian, I forgot about the Danes etc, so I would have lost the bet, bloody typical.  |
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Post by siamesedream on Jan 2, 2014 16:20:16 GMT
Im not opening up the can of worms already on show. The schools teach them ba-ba rainbow sheep, and this years nativity was, again, nothing to do with the birth of baby Jesus. (as usual) Jack and the Beanstalk i think. Sounds like lazy, ill-informed reactionary nonsense to me. People hear a myth and want to believe it so they convince themselves it's true |
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Post by siamesedream on Jan 2, 2014 16:25:42 GMT
"The indigenous people of this country are rapidly becoming the ethnic minority"
Define indigenous.
Before the Normans etc invaded the population of England wasestimated to be circa 2million, now it's around 50million. Add to that the influx of Romans prior to that and Irish since and it leaves a very small pocket of, as you put it, indigenous people in this country. I really don't understand why people are fussed what counts as English or British, or when they talk about "our way of life". Get on with your life and stop being so precious. I don't see why anyone's life should be solely determined by where they are born.
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