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Post by daviejones on May 1, 2014 19:47:28 GMT
"The Old Trafford club confirmed today that Sam Byrne, Jack Barmby and Jack Rudge have all been released from the club and goalkeeper Jonny Sutherland has been handed a free transfer."
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Post by happyblue on May 1, 2014 19:54:39 GMT
Would take both Sam Byrne and Jack Barmby
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Post by daviejones on May 1, 2014 20:00:49 GMT
So would I, Barmby has looked good for Hartlepool, certainly worth trying to sign him. He'll probably end up signed by a championship team and loaned out again though, he is only 19 |
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Post by siamesedream on May 1, 2014 20:13:31 GMT
Would love us to get Barmby, wonder if we were in for him or not.
Could have been a different story if we'd got him instead of that non entity Byrne
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Post by daviejones on May 1, 2014 20:16:40 GMT
I reckon we stand a chance of signing Byrne (depending on his wages), he hasn't exactly been in the type of form to attract other clubs' interest - however anyone coming out of the Man Utd youth team must have potential of some sort, and I think he could be good in league 2 and one for the future
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Post by siamesedream on May 1, 2014 20:49:46 GMT
I personally wouldn't follow up Byrne, daviejones, I know he's had mostly sub apps, but he seems to lack fight and effort. No doubting that he has a good touch, just doesn't seem to know what to do with the ball when he has it. Maybe that's down to nerves, but no excusing not closing down especially when he is on as "fresh legs".
The assumption a lot of the time seems to be "he's been released my Man Utd, if he was at Man Utd he must be good", but sometimes I think it can work the other way. He will be used to having had everything done for him, and coming to a club which is pretty basic not exactly "wash your own kit" but you get the idea. A lot of players descend pretty fast after coming out of the premier league bubble.
In my opinion of seeing him 8/9/10 times, I would say pass on this one.
I may be way off the mark but I think sometimes we may tend to take players off man utd under duress to help them out so we can get someone decent off them when we need it and keeping the link between the clubs is more important to us than them.
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Post by bluealf on May 1, 2014 21:17:05 GMT
We are linking to the wrong Manchester club for top quality youths coming through but then again that isn't a shock for Carlisle too miss the boat as usual.
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Post by daviejones on May 1, 2014 21:21:28 GMT
Perhaps you're right, I agree that he hasn't seemed bothered at times but he isn't the only one. Kav sees him every day so he'll know how good he thinks he is, whilst it would be nice to have him he'll probably be on pretty high wages considering and we can't afford to spend money in the wrong places. Chances are there are players in lower leagues with more experience and who will care more, and who will certainly cost a lot less |
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Post by daviejones on May 1, 2014 21:29:58 GMT
I don't think you should complain about having a youth link with Man Utd to be fair
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Post by bluealf on May 1, 2014 21:40:09 GMT
I forget my place and thank them for all of the turd they have sent our way this season.
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Post by siamesedream on May 1, 2014 21:51:15 GMT
I don't think you should complain about having a youth link with Man Utd to be fair Read what I said. I wasnt |
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Post by crunchblue on May 1, 2014 22:03:21 GMT
Tom Lawrence is set to be offered a new deal by Manchester United.
Hardly surprising. The lad is class.
Cue the "he only had 1 good game for us" bollocks brigade.
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Post by daviejones on May 1, 2014 22:34:52 GMT
I don't think you should complain about having a youth link with Man Utd to be fair Read what I said. I wasnt It was directed to bluealf |
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Post by siamesedream on May 1, 2014 22:38:36 GMT
Tom Lawrence is set to be offered a new deal by Manchester United. Hardly surprising. The lad is class. Cue the "he only had 1 good game for us" bollocks brigade. Great young player, played out of position by Kavanagh. Kavanagh Played him left mid which our left back exposed. Cost us couple of a few goals as Robson ended up doing the work of 2 men down the left side , which just emphasises Kavanagh's inability as a coach. He would've been best utilised in a free role just behind whoever we had upfront that day. |
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Post by crunchblue on May 1, 2014 22:44:42 GMT
Tom Lawrence is set to be offered a new deal by Manchester United. Hardly surprising. The lad is class. Cue the "he only had 1 good game for us" bollocks brigade. Great young player, played out of position by Kavanagh. Kavanagh Played him left mid which our left back exposed. Cost us couple of a few goals as Robson ended up doing the work of 2 men down the left side , which just emphasises Kavanagh's inability as a coach. He would've been best utilised in a free role just behind whoever we had upfront that day. I think you might be right about his position, although Yeovil played him on the left as well. But out of position or not, he was our best attacking player this season by a mile. Even if he wasn't scoring he made things happen and put us on the front foot with his ability. Carlisle United scored 17 goals in the 10 games Lawrence played for us, since he left we've scored 12 goals in 18 games. It's the reason we dropped into the relegation zone during that spell imo. I hope he gets a chance at Man Utd. |
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Post by daviejones on May 1, 2014 22:54:54 GMT
The Tranmere game alone shows how much potential he has, not to mention what you've just said. Glad to see him getting a shot, always like seeing ex players go on to big things and hopefully he can do this. With Giggs as manager or even just a coach if Van Gall comes in I can see him getting a chance, he's welsh and in the same mould as him
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Post by siamesedream on May 1, 2014 22:57:17 GMT
Great young player, played out of position by Kavanagh. Kavanagh Played him left mid which our left back exposed. Cost us couple of a few goals as Robson ended up doing the work of 2 men down the left side , which just emphasises Kavanagh's inability as a coach. He would've been best utilised in a free role just behind whoever we had upfront that day. I think you might be right about his position, although Yeovil played him on the left as well. But out of position or not, he was our best attacking player this season by a mile. Even if he wasn't scoring he made things happen and put us on the front foot with his ability. Carlisle United scored 17 goals in the 10 games Lawrence played for us, since he left we've scored 12 goals in 18 games. It's the reason we dropped into the relegation zone during that spell imo. I hope he gets a chance at Man Utd. Great post,crunchblue. Totally agree. If you look at the players (all 48) that we have used this season , Lawrence (at the time) was one of the few willing to run at players , but I think this again comes down to Kavanagh not being clever enough to set up a team. Robson is at his best running at players, as is Symington. In the last 6 weeks or so Symington has been superb at right full/wing back, sound defensively and superb bombing forward (Edmondson-esque) , but Kavanagh doesn't pick a team to play to our strengths |
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Post by siamesedream on May 1, 2014 23:00:48 GMT
And again we have an absolute gem in Redmond , superb touch, great football brain, runs his socks off, he could walk into most Championship teams, and Kavanagh leaves him on the bench for the 2 most important games of the season.
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Post by bluearmy on May 1, 2014 23:38:41 GMT
The ability of Tom Lawrence is seen by how many games we've won since he left- if tom had of stayed with the attacking threat he posses we would have stayed up don't think he'll make it at united but I think he'll go onto play for wales and a premier league team
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Post by happyblue on May 2, 2014 7:20:56 GMT
Would rather take talent from united who produce far better players than city's, as they buy all their players.
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Post by jelly on May 2, 2014 7:34:38 GMT
And again we have an absolute gem in Redmond , superb touch, great football brain, runs his socks off, he could walk into most Championship teams, and Kavanagh leaves him on the bench for the 2 most important games of the season. There is no way he would currently walk into most Championship teams. The fact that he has hardly had a game for Wigan, a footballing side that should suit his style of play, says it all. He has a good touch and footballing brain but, equally, there hasn't been an awful lot of end product and he does look a bit lightweight at times. The fact that Wigan have kept him on, despite not having broken in to their first team at the age he is, suggests they think he has plenty of potential but that he isn't ready yet. |
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Post by CCU on May 2, 2014 8:40:47 GMT
Surely at 23yo he should've made the breakthrough by now?
I'd expect us to sign Redmond, Byrne and Dawson. Young, from higher league and wages won't be huge...
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Post by siamesedream on May 2, 2014 9:58:23 GMT
Surely at 23yo he should've made the breakthrough by now? I'd expect us to sign Redmond, Byrne and Dawson. Young, from higher league and wages won't be huge... We may have the means to sign Byrne and Dawson, but why would we want to? |
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Post by northumbrian on May 2, 2014 11:54:19 GMT
Would rather take talent from united who produce far better players than city's, as they buy all their players. Enlighten us as to how many of Manchester United's current starting line up came through their youth ranks for free and how many they bought? |
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Post by northumbrian on May 2, 2014 11:59:25 GMT
And again we have an absolute gem in Redmond , superb touch, great football brain, runs his socks off, he could walk into most Championship teams, and Kavanagh leaves him on the bench for the 2 most important games of the season. I like Redmond, he makes things happen and has a good touch and attacking football brain. However, I can see Kav's logic... he is very lightwieght and spend much of the game sitting on his @rse after being knocked off the ball. Not ideal for a relegation scrap you might say.
Having said that in a team devoid of attacking threat personally I would have played Redmond.
For me I haven't seen anything from Byrne that would make me want to sign him... even in League 2. He clearly has ability but has he got a football brain... the jury is out. He rarely makes the right runs and is rarely a goal threat.
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Post by siamesedream on May 2, 2014 12:07:12 GMT
Very interesting points northumbrian, great post.
I think Redmond has the ability to play anywhere, I would have loved to see him played just behind Madine in a free role.
It's surprising to look at Byrne, who has been through the Man Utd system, to see how inept he is when it comes to a match situation. He could probably 20,000 kick ups, but is no use on the pitch. There may be a good player in there, but do Carlisle have the time/resources/money to develop that?
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Post by northumbrian on May 2, 2014 12:30:25 GMT
Very interesting points northumbrian, great post. I think Redmond has the ability to play anywhere, I would have loved to see him played just behind Madine in a free role. It's surprising to look at Byrne, who has been through the Man Utd system, to see how inept he is when it comes to a match situation. He could probably 20,000 kick ups, but is no use on the pitch. There may be a good player in there, but do Carlisle have the time/resources/money to develop that? In a word "no"... we need strikers that can hit the ground running next year and score 15-20 goals per season. We won't figure at the top end of the table without that.
Redmond would be a great signing for the club... we are crying out for players with flair. Abbott focused way to much on "putting a good shift in". We need a mix of player types... not just middle of the road, workmanlike plodders, which fill our current squad. Flair players get bums on seats and they break down defences... even if sometimes they go missing or don't give 100% like the plodders do.
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Post by happyblue on May 2, 2014 12:34:57 GMT
Would rather take talent from united who produce far better players than city's, as they buy all their players. Enlighten us as to how many of Manchester United's current starting line up came through their youth ranks for free and how many they bought? Adnan Januzaj , Tom Cleverley,Danny Welbeck,Jonny Evans all came through the youth team at Manchester united, then you have other premier league regulars at over teams, Chester etc now tell me where all these city youth prospects are? Non existent. |
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Post by northumbrian on May 2, 2014 12:46:30 GMT
Enlighten us as to how many of Manchester United's current starting line up came through their youth ranks for free and how many they bought? Adnan Januzaj , Tom Cleverley,Danny Welbeck,Jonny Evans all came through the youth team at Manchester united, then you have other premier league regulars at over teams, Chester etc now tell me where all these city youth prospects are? Non existent. They poached Januzaj I believe and the others aren't exactly regulars... they may get into our first team though if they came on loan. a good youth policy often relies on poaching players from other clubs around the globe at an early age... something which Manchester United have been found guilty of on a number of occassions. This relies on money. expect Manchester City to bring a lot of young players through "their" youth system in a similar way over the next few years now that they can outbid United to poach young players. it annoys me when United fans claim that they aren't really a spending club. they are and always have been...go through their current first team squad and see how much they cost collectively. They are every bit as bad as Chelsea and City, they have just done it over a longer period. |
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Post by mojo on May 2, 2014 12:56:00 GMT
Perhaps you're right, I agree that he hasn't seemed bothered at times but he isn't the only one. Kav sees him every day so he'll know how good he thinks he is, this is the same Kav who has managed to *relegate us? *as good as, at time of writing. |
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