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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 13, 2015 9:12:18 GMT
That's exactly as I understand it Mojo.
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Post by rsblue on Jun 13, 2015 9:14:49 GMT
Andrew Jenkins family needs to wake up! His father has done a great job of bankrolling CUFC over the last few years. However wormtongue aka Nixon had been poisoning a old man with lies and using him to play his own game of power. I believe AJ has done all this on the back of Nixon's poor advise and that AJ is a decent man who has been lead up the garden path by Nixon. I have also heard they have no intention going back to Lapping if the billionaire doesn't come off!
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Post by mullen103 on Jun 13, 2015 9:16:21 GMT
It's a fact that Jenkins and Nixon had a good offer from lapping that was nearly finished but couldn't even tell him face to face and instead read out a pre prepared statement.
It's shocking business that they do this and there's no blaming the conspiracy theories about it. The logical thing Wouod of been to involve lappings consortium and take it from there.
In business your only as good as your last decision. In the latter Knighton days we didn't cut him any slack because of what he done in the early years.
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Post by bluealf on Jun 13, 2015 9:24:38 GMT
Has somebody offed Mullen mid sentence ?
#worried
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Post by mullen103 on Jun 13, 2015 9:36:13 GMT
Has somebody offed Mullen mid sentence ? #worried Still here
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Post by NoLongerMouldy on Jun 13, 2015 9:40:55 GMT
Lets cut out any of the personal abuse on here please. The biggest problem I have is that Andrew Lapping's proposal would have sorted out the financial situation, and Andrew Jenkins would have got some of his money back. The money Andrew Jenkins has been throwing at the club in recent years would not have been needed (or not as much) had the club been ran properly. as i see it, with laffys proposal, the door wasn't shut on further investment, so once the club was seen to be on a sound footing then surely it would be infinitely more marketable and a safer investment risk than it is now. or am i seeing it wrong? The way I see it with laffy's deal: Of course he isn't shutting the door for future investment. I don't know the £ figure AL was personally putting into the club, nor do I know the accumulative total he has raised - in principle - with the other investors. However, I genuinely feel for it to be worth AL's time and money, he'll want to see a return on investment, and at some point see £ figures coming the other way. That's why I feel the introduction of a new S+M Director was high on the list of priorities - more money in = more money can be pulled out. IF the AL deal was as good as the majority of this board and the public are making out - why is there any reasonable doubt on behalf of the current BOD? To avoid any doubt or confusion about my stance: Andrew Lapping is trying to force change upon the club and I welcome that. If he's successful, brilliant - full backing from me. Do I think it will make the club self sufficient on a financial level? No. Do I hope it does? Yes. Like CUFCDeano has said, I hope there is a serious investor that the club are in talks with. Until anything is revealed, I think the BOD have done their job (to look after/seek the best interests of the club) in putting these investment talks with AL et al on hold. If AL is as passionate to help the club as he says, and isn't bothered about financial return on investment or the plaudits of being 'the saviour', he can still get his consortium together and work alongside the new investors OR a more logical and beneficial route from my opinion is to work with the Trust/CUSG guise and give them a serious say with financial backing to help them make change and be an active community support group. As for parklands31.. this is probably a bit of a wind up...
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Post by rsblue on Jun 13, 2015 9:48:49 GMT
as i see it, with laffys proposal, the door wasn't shut on further investment, so once the club was seen to be on a sound footing then surely it would be infinitely more marketable and a safer investment risk than it is now. or am i seeing it wrong? The way I see it with laffy's deal: Of course he isn't shutting the door for future investment. I don't know the £ figure AL was personally putting into the club, nor do I know the accumulative total he has raised - in principle - with the other investors. However, I genuinely feel for it to be worth AL's time and money, he'll want to see a return on investment, and at some point see £ figures coming the other way. That's why I feel the introduction of a new S+M Director was high on the list of priorities - more money in = more money can be pulled out. IF the AL deal was as good as the majority of this board and the public are making out - why is there any reasonable doubt on behalf of the current BOD? To avoid any doubt or confusion about my stance: Andrew Lapping is trying to force change upon the club and I welcome that. If he's successful, brilliant - full backing from me. Do I think it will make the club self sufficient on a financial level? No. Do I hope it does? Yes. Like CUFCDeano has said, I hope there is a serious investor that the club are in talks with. Until anything is revealed, I think the BOD have done their job (to look after/seek the best interests of the club) in putting these investment talks with AL et al on hold. If AL is as passionate to help the club as he says, and isn't bothered about financial return on investment or the plaudits of being 'the saviour', he can still get his consortium together and work alongside the new investors OR a more logical and beneficial route from my opinion is to work with the Trust/CUSG guise and give them a serious say with financial backing to help them make change and be an active community support group. As for parklands31.. this is probably a bit of a wind up... The current BOD didn't think Lapping would come off with the deal and let it ride through then at the last minute pulled the plug because they good see it happening. Tell why the process couldn't of continued and another investor who has the best interest of cufc came in to strenghing the Lapping deal? My view is because the two don't wont to give up their power. Right upto the last few weeks Nixon was emailing other business about plan B. SNAKE!
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Post by NoLongerMouldy on Jun 13, 2015 9:52:53 GMT
The way I see it with laffy's deal: Of course he isn't shutting the door for future investment. I don't know the £ figure AL was personally putting into the club, nor do I know the accumulative total he has raised - in principle - with the other investors. However, I genuinely feel for it to be worth AL's time and money, he'll want to see a return on investment, and at some point see £ figures coming the other way. That's why I feel the introduction of a new S+M Director was high on the list of priorities - more money in = more money can be pulled out. IF the AL deal was as good as the majority of this board and the public are making out - why is there any reasonable doubt on behalf of the current BOD? To avoid any doubt or confusion about my stance: Andrew Lapping is trying to force change upon the club and I welcome that. If he's successful, brilliant - full backing from me. Do I think it will make the club self sufficient on a financial level? No. Do I hope it does? Yes. Like CUFCDeano has said, I hope there is a serious investor that the club are in talks with. Until anything is revealed, I think the BOD have done their job (to look after/seek the best interests of the club) in putting these investment talks with AL et al on hold. If AL is as passionate to help the club as he says, and isn't bothered about financial return on investment or the plaudits of being 'the saviour', he can still get his consortium together and work alongside the new investors OR a more logical and beneficial route from my opinion is to work with the Trust/CUSG guise and give them a serious say with financial backing to help them make change and be an active community support group. As for parklands31.. this is probably a bit of a wind up... The current BOD didn't think Lapping would come off with the deal and let it ride through then at the last minute pulled the plug because they good see it happening. Tell why the process couldn't of continued and another investor who has the best interest of cufc came in to strenghing the Lapping deal? My view is because the two don't wont to give up their power. Right upto the last few weeks Nixon was emailing other business about plan B. SNAKE! Put it on hold to allow AL to stop spending money on the due diligence stage? I don't honestly know why they didn't let it continue, but, the ball is already in motion, the ground has partially been covered so to resume at a later stage, shouldn't be too much of an issue - of course assuming AL is still interested.
As for the other investor strengthening the AL deal - you're making huge assumptions that the new investor would want to work in that guise. Money talks and if he/her/it has said no to working alongside AL's consortium, I'd give them time of day to stick their hat in the ring.
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Post by stamfordblue on Jun 13, 2015 9:57:38 GMT
As I see it the Lapping plan was to remove the need to rely on AJ in the future. Now as a family member I would be happy to see this so surely if Nixon came up with a daft plan to retain power by pretending there was another investor the family would have brought pressure to ignore Nixon and go ahead with Laffy. After all it's their inheritance that is disappearing and as I understand it they have no interest in the club.
So surely there must be an investor because otherwise AJs family will in effect be watching their inheritance disappear as more money will be needed even with the Potts money and anything that may arrive from a Dempsey sale.
Unless some decent reliable information is forthcoming rumour and conjecture will continue with abuse continuing to be aimed at the current ownership maybe the family should persuade their father to speak out and let us know exactly what is happening then maybe people would not be to rude to their father.
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Post by rsblue on Jun 13, 2015 10:10:05 GMT
The current BOD didn't think Lapping would come off with the deal and let it ride through then at the last minute pulled the plug because they good see it happening. Tell why the process couldn't of continued and another investor who has the best interest of cufc came in to strenghing the Lapping deal? My view is because the two don't wont to give up their power. Right upto the last few weeks Nixon was emailing other business about plan B. SNAKE! Put it on hold to allow AL to stop spending money on the due diligence stage? I don't honestly know why they didn't let it continue, but, the ball is already in motion, the ground has partially been covered so to resume at a later stage, shouldn't be too much of an issue - of course assuming AL is still interested.
As for the other investor strengthening the AL deal - you're making huge assumptions that the new investor would want to work in that guise. Money talks and if he/her/it has said no to working alongside AL's consortium, I'd give them time of day to stick their hat in the ring.
I agree, but why sit with AL to introduce a new MD while actively look for an alternative locally if it was not to keep him in power? Oh I forgot what a great job they have done over the last 8 years!
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Post by parklands31 on Jun 13, 2015 10:41:08 GMT
As I said last night I thought long and hard about posting , decided I would as I thought it was the best thing to do. Some of the responses sum up the bad things about this board and thats why I only view nowadays.
Couple of things directed at me, Its not a wind up of any sort, and I have not betrayed any trust / confidences at all. The discussion started as we got out of our cars and carried on in full ear shot of a number of people who also asked questions as they are also blues fans.
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Post by khg on Jun 13, 2015 10:47:17 GMT
As I said last night I thought long and hard about posting , decided I would as I thought it was the best thing to do. Bet your glad you did.
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Post by mojo on Jun 13, 2015 10:58:25 GMT
As I see it the Lapping plan was to remove the need to rely on AJ in the future. Now as a family member I would be happy to see this so surely if Nixon came up with a daft plan to retain power by pretending there was another investor the family would have brought pressure to ignore Nixon and go ahead with Laffy. After all it's their inheritance that is disappearing and as I understand it they have no interest in the club. So surely there must be an investor because otherwise AJs family will in effect be watching their inheritance disappear as more money will be needed even with the Potts money and anything that may arrive from a Dempsey sale. Unless some decent reliable information is forthcoming rumour and conjecture will continue with abuse continuing to be aimed at the current ownership maybe the family should persuade their father to speak out and let us know exactly what is happening then maybe people would not be to rude to their father. 'So surely there must be an investor' and if there is, will it be an investment that's best for the club going forward or best for those two's personal gain? hmmm, let me think on that for a while.
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Post by carlislewhite on Jun 13, 2015 11:00:09 GMT
Partly playing devil's advocate on this though, what if AJ had serious concerns on the AL deal. AJ (and his families) aim has to be to recoup his investment as he approaches retirement - if he had no faith in the deal, or did not see any sign of getting his money back, why should he go along with it? There was certainly no sign of the £1.2M investment, or even anywhere near the £800K pledged monies (have always thought the money was not there, and that AL was backing himself to raise it once he had the go ahead, and fair play for that). Not really sure the Blues problems are about money at present (even before the Potts money) - we are already one of the highest budgets in the league. The problems to me are more about how the club is being run, and more specifically appointing **** managers and allowing them to collect poor footballers. However, it does not seem as if AL was planning to run the club himself, but putting proper appointments in place. The second big problem was the Trust, and AL certainly found the way to resolve this, but may have ended up being penalised for it. Whatever happens, the club should be eternally grateful for the likely removal of the noose that it the Trust. However, for those who think all AL touches turns to gold (okay Mullen, no one will convince you of this), you have to ask how he has allowed himself to be hoodwinked by two old dotherers. Sometimes you have to look at the deal from the other side of the table to see if it stacks up for them.
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Post by dancingbear on Jun 13, 2015 11:01:28 GMT
Ffs parklands get a grip. No one wishes any ill on Mr Jenkins they just think the way the club is heading its perhaps time for him and Mr Nixon to pass the baton and give someone else a go. I'm yet to see all these terrible things that have been written about him. Most of the ire is directed at Mr Nixon. Mr Jenkins maybe started getting a bit when he chose to put a statement on the official club website defending Mr Pattison but I honestly haven't seen anything disgusting. Maybe my view of disgusting is different to yours though.
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Post by useless on Jun 13, 2015 11:06:25 GMT
I just can't be arsed with this anymore
They are killing my love for the club
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Post by mojo on Jun 13, 2015 11:17:30 GMT
was just going to post the same thing. i'm finding it harder as each day goes on to think of a reason why i should bother any more. i haven't renewed our ST's which we've had for 10 years now, the list of friendlies is totally underwhelming, the only spark of a new hope has been snuffed out, plus the total disregard towards us the supporters. my 'I-don't-give-a-****-anymore-ometer' is reaching red line. i know for a fact that if i find other things to do on a saturday, i, like a few thousand others, will find it difficult to get back.
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Post by jelly on Jun 13, 2015 11:35:56 GMT
Firstly I think it is sad you have betrayed a confidence, especially on here. Make no mistake, you would have no Carlisle United without Andrew Jenkins. Personally I don't think he's either dynamic or pro-active enough for the way clubs are expected to be these days and it would be better if he took a back seat, I think he knows that himself. Things are not good at Brunton Park, the club has been allowed to stagnate and the present regime have to take full responsibility - however AJ absolutely does not deserve some of the moronic comments churned out on here on a daily basis and if I were his family the last thing I would be doing with my money would be to chuck it in to the hat to keep a few dozen neanderthals happy. For the record I am no Fan of John Nixon either and the sooner he steps aside to join yet another committee the better, but likewise, the level of personal abuse aimed at him on here is quite frankly appalling. In conclusion I am not SP or anyone connected with the club, I am as unhappy and frustrated as everyone else and if this offends anyone -tough. Yes we would. Jenkins' record as Chairman/owner of the clubs is shocking, if anyone actually bothers to look at it. I don't doubt that he is a passionate fan who wants the club to do well but he isn't any good at running a football club and the fact that he keeps having to dip his hand into his pocket to pay for his own mistakes is evidence of this. I know a couple of people who are very good friends with AJ and they tell me that they have told him for years to walk away and let other people take his place but he won't.
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Post by mojo on Jun 13, 2015 11:56:24 GMT
Firstly I think it is sad you have betrayed a confidence, especially on here. Make no mistake, you would have no Carlisle United without Andrew Jenkins. Personally I don't think he's either dynamic or pro-active enough for the way clubs are expected to be these days and it would be better if he took a back seat, I think he knows that himself. Things are not good at Brunton Park, the club has been allowed to stagnate and the present regime have to take full responsibility - however AJ absolutely does not deserve some of the moronic comments churned out on here on a daily basis and if I were his family the last thing I would be doing with my money would be to chuck it in to the hat to keep a few dozen neanderthals happy. For the record I am no Fan of John Nixon either and the sooner he steps aside to join yet another committee the better, but likewise, the level of personal abuse aimed at him on here is quite frankly appalling. In conclusion I am not SP or anyone connected with the club, I am as unhappy and frustrated as everyone else and if this offends anyone -tough. Yes we would. Jenkins' record as Chairman/owner of the clubs is shocking, if anyone actually bothers to look at it. I don't doubt that he is a passionate fan who wants the club to do well but he isn't any good at running a football club and the fact that he keeps having to dip his hand into his pocket to pay for his own mistakes is evidence of this. I know a couple of people who are very good friends with AJ and they tell me that they have told him for years to walk away and let other people take his place but he won't. so going by that, he either, 1, feels the need to stay and try and rectify all the previous mistakes and in doing so is getting sucked in deeper and deeper, or 2, he likes his plaything and the title that goes with it and doesn't care about the money being used to pay for the previous mistakes.
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Post by champagnesupernova on Jun 13, 2015 12:41:31 GMT
One reason that tempers have been raised is the way that Andrew Lapping appears to have been treated by the custodians, yet they appear to be more than happy with the fact that this 'second investor' hasn't found the time to even meet them yet.
If (if) this mystery person actually did exist (big disclaimer there but bear with me), we're being led to believe that they're so busy jetting around the world that it's been almost impossible to squeeze any time in for CUFC as yet. I find this extremely worrying, and this would lead me to question just how interested they really were in the club. Andrew on the other hand appears to have made himself available at every opportunity, put a huge amount of personal time and effort into the deal, met with club officials, the trust, the local press, and established a clear line of communication with us, the fans.
Andrew Lapping may not be a billionaire. However he is a local guy, who is a genuine fan on the club, has attended games home and away for years, and who clearly is passionate about investing his own time and effort in making it succeed in the future. To treat someone like that in the way he has been and shutting him out, while throwing out the red carpet and an open-ended timetable for someone who (it sounds like) hasn't even set foot in Brunton Park, is something I find quite hard to stomach at the moment.
I admit I may well have got the wrong end of the stick and will hold my hands up and apologise if that did turn out to be the case, but the longer the wall of silence continues, I'm afraid this is how I - and I suspect many others - are feeling right now.
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Post by blightyblue on Jun 13, 2015 14:26:25 GMT
What I don't understand is that if Jenkins was so sick of dipping into his own picket because nobody else wanted Carlisle United then why didn't he snap Lappings hand off as soon as he was interested?
It seems to me that he is doing it all begrudgingly for some reason, Blue Yonder?
The poster above about him not wanting to leave sounds the most credible.
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Post by bruntonpasty on Jun 13, 2015 15:51:27 GMT
A wind up or not, there is a rising groundswell of and anger and dissatisfaction with the ownership/running of CUFC, and fans will vent their anger at those they see as responsible. The undeniable fact is, had the custodians been able to operate the business profitably, the Jenkins family would not have had to prop it up every year.the idea that CUFC could continue in this business style was still seen as the way forward by some, for me, it has to end now. The Lapping plan was one way of that happenning, for this plan to be discarded in the way it has will always raise suspicion, billionaires or not. As regards the Jenkins family not liking the goings on of this forum?, tough! Nobody wishes any ill or harm to AJ but if you take on the mantle of top dog, you are putting your head above the parapet and you should expect to take some flak. As the boss of a big ish business he must have had to take some decisions now and again knowing he would be unpopular, this is no different. As someone said further up, "if you can't stand the heat, etc". Me? I'm fed up of hearing nowt. Fed up reading about nowt on here. fed up of the club I support looking stupid and amatuerish. Fed up of crap players just lifting a wage without showing any fight or professionalism( there are some exceptions here). I've arrange my ST on DD. I'm not doing friendlies, I'm not buying in the shop. Im not buying tea, coffee, pies, chocolate or even cheese xl. I'm spending nowt more until Im satisfied we have people in charge of the club who prove and demonstrate they have the clubs best interests at heart, and if things deteriorate further I will cancel my DD and stop going.
So, If you are genuine Parklands, PM me and put the Jenkins family in touch with me and I will gladly clarify my position to them personally.
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Post by mashiniblick on Jun 13, 2015 16:00:17 GMT
What are the chances we'll end up with young Jenkins on our BoD eventually?
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Post by melbourneblues on Jun 13, 2015 16:13:53 GMT
I can't believe you're related to them Parklands, reminds me of keeping up appearances. :-D:-D
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Post by parklands31 on Jun 13, 2015 16:25:09 GMT
More like Shameless melbers !!!
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Post by melbourneblues on Jun 13, 2015 16:34:29 GMT
Good piece from Jon Colman again, why would a mystery billionaire (Andy Bells words, who has mysteriously never been heard of since) be taking so much time over buying a tinpot club for small change? He must have people who do this work for him surely, what would it cost him to buy the club outright 1 million, 2 million? A drop in the ocean for 'him'. Stop treating the fans like idiots this could be the final straw.
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Post by Bluestblue on Jun 13, 2015 16:42:47 GMT
I just can't be arsed with this anymore They are killing my love for the club I thinkuseless's short post sums up all the other words on the whole message board
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Post by wukkie on Jun 13, 2015 19:14:26 GMT
That has been the whole idea since they took over. The less opposition there is to their plans the easier it will be for them to succeed. We cannot let them win.
They want you to stop going, fans need to keep going and to get on their cases so their positions become untenable.
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Post by cocaineblues on Jun 13, 2015 20:23:45 GMT
That has been the whole idea since they took over. The less opposition there is to their plans the easier it will be for them to succeed. We cannot let them win. They want you to stop going, fans need to keep going and to get on their cases so their positions become untenable. Whilst I completely agree with you, it's been tried already And all we got was strange looks and stupid comments! Welcome to carlisle, where apathy reigns and no one can be jeered...
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Post by cufckeg on Jun 13, 2015 20:45:47 GMT
Does the fact that apart from the first week the Trust has gone quiet not mean there is something on the table? I thought they had to be informed as part of the Bod? Not clued up on this stuff like, which is why I don't comment on it.
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