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Jun 11, 2015 22:27:02 GMT
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Post by crunchblue on Jun 11, 2015 22:27:02 GMT
Suarez was in his prime. Liverpool were not in the position where if they kept him another year or 2 his value would double or treble.
Dempsey is 19, he's been a footballer for a year. Keep him and let him get better and even more valuable. He's not unhappy here, he was quite happy to stay a few months ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 22:38:55 GMT
Suarez was in his prime. Liverpool were not in the position where if they kept him another year or 2 his value would double or treble. Dempsey is 19, he's been a footballer for a year. Keep him and let him get better and even more valuable. He's not unhappy here, he was quite happy to stay a few months ago. Yes, but my point is - a new contract is not a massive obstacle to a player leaving. I completely agree we should be keeping him. But the reality is that if a good offer comes in we almost certainly wont. The board will be desperate for the cash and he will want the move. Its easy to say your happy to stay when its just talk and speculation - but how many players are really willing to back that up when a bigger club, playing in a higher division and offering more money comes in for you with a real offer? Hardly any. He might decide its better for his long term career to stay another season, but id be surprised, not many would take that view (even if its true). Heads get turned. The state we are currently in - who could blame him? Under Lapping we might have just said 'You signed the deal, we will sell when we want to'. But can you see John Nixon turning down £££'s?
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Jun 11, 2015 22:44:06 GMT
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Post by CCU on Jun 11, 2015 22:44:06 GMT
If the rumours are true, who's to say we haven't accepted a big bid, say £1m for arguments sake?
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Post by daviejones on Jun 11, 2015 22:46:13 GMT
Suarez was in his prime. Liverpool were not in the position where if they kept him another year or 2 his value would double or treble. Dempsey is 19, he's been a footballer for a year. Keep him and let him get better and even more valuable. He's not unhappy here, he was quite happy to stay a few months ago. Yes, but my point is - a new contract is not a massive obstacle to a player leaving. I completely agree we should be keeping him. But the reality is that if a good offer comes in we almost certainly wont. The board will be desperate for the cash and he will want the move. Its easy to say your happy to stay when its just talk and speculation - but how many players are really willing to back that up when a bigger club, playing in a higher division and offering more money comes in for you with a real offer? Hardly any. He might decide its better for his long term career to stay another season, but id be surprised, not many would take that view (even if its true). Heads get turned. The state we are currently in - who could blame him? Under Lapping we might have just said 'You signed the deal, we will sell when we want to'. But can you see John Nixon turning down £££'s? Again, I just don't get why he'd sign the deal if he had any intention of leaving. Makes no sense at all really.
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Post by jumpforfun on Jun 11, 2015 22:48:24 GMT
It would need to be that sort of figure. The lad is absolute class and will go on to play much much higher.
I will be slightly heartbroken if he goes as it will quash any remaining optimism I had for the immediate future of the club.
I can't face another season of the utter Shite we've had recently.
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Post by jumpforfun on Jun 11, 2015 22:50:13 GMT
Yes, but my point is - a new contract is not a massive obstacle to a player leaving. I completely agree we should be keeping him. But the reality is that if a good offer comes in we almost certainly wont. The board will be desperate for the cash and he will want the move. Its easy to say your happy to stay when its just talk and speculation - but how many players are really willing to back that up when a bigger club, playing in a higher division and offering more money comes in for you with a real offer? Hardly any. He might decide its better for his long term career to stay another season, but id be surprised, not many would take that view (even if its true). Heads get turned. The state we are currently in - who could blame him? Under Lapping we might have just said 'You signed the deal, we will sell when we want to'. But can you see John Nixon turning down £££'s? Again, I just don't get why he'd sign the deal if he had any intention of leaving. Makes no sense at all really. Sometimes it's the club who agree the fee rather than the player actually wanting to leave.....Once the club's agree then the player is conscience free to move...
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Post by daviejones on Jun 11, 2015 22:50:58 GMT
If the rumours are true, who's to say we haven't accepted a big bid, say £1m for arguments sake? Don't know how i'd feel about that to be honest. On the one hand it would go a long way if it was reinvested into the team, but would it be? Plus we know in Dempsey we've got a really good player, what's to say we don't blow some of the money on players like Paynter. Dempsey's value is almost guaranteed to have gone up next summer or even by January. I'd still rather we kept him but for that money I can see why we'd accept it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 22:52:33 GMT
Again, I just don't get why he'd sign the deal if he had any intention of leaving. Makes no sense at all really. Because when he signed the deal there may not have been an offer. Or the club may have got him to sign it with the provision that if an offer came in they would let him go and use the new contract as a tool for getting a bigger fee. In the mean time he is earning more money rather than sitting on the same old deal earning peanuts. As well as all that - when he signed the deal we were on the verge of being taken over with new investment and a new era beckoning. Now thats looking increasingly unlikely. Maybe he wasn't planning on leaving but has had his head turned by bigger wages and a higher division etc once an offer actually came in?
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Post by daviejones on Jun 11, 2015 23:08:23 GMT
Again, I just don't get why he'd sign the deal if he had any intention of leaving. Makes no sense at all really. Because when he signed the deal there may not have been an offer. Or the club may have got him to sign it with the provision that if an offer came in they would let him go and use the new contract as a tool for getting a bigger fee. In the mean time he is earning more money rather than sitting on the same old deal earning peanuts. As well as all that - when he signed the deal we were on the verge of being taken over with new investment and a new ear beckoning. Now thats looking increasingly unlikely. Maybe he wasn't planning on leaving but has had his head turned by bigger wages and a higher division etc once an offer actually came in? He definitely would've known that there was interest from other clubs, he even said about it an interview, and he'll have known that they would've probably offered a better wage as well. He signed the contract with a few months of the season to go, i'm sure if he wanted to go then he would've put up with the smaller wage for a little while. Signing the contract just makes a move more difficult for him and puts some clubs off going for him. The takeover thing might have been a factor but until we know either way I don't see why that'd make him rush a move.
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Post by flatcap on Jun 11, 2015 23:31:27 GMT
Maybe, just maybe, Preston offered a fee that the club (i.e. Nixon) did not want to turn down. They then go to the player and tell him that they want him to accept the Preston offer and that he moves on. He's not going to turn it down, especially if he gets a better contract and the club want him out of the door.
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Post by daviejones on Jun 11, 2015 23:35:26 GMT
Maybe, just maybe, Preston offered a fee that the club (i.e. Nixon) did not want to turn down. They then go to the player and tell him that they want him to accept the Preston offer and that he moves on. He's not going to turn it down, especially if he gets a better contract and the club want him out of the door. That's the only situation I can see in which Dempsey would go. We'd obviously never find out if this was the case but I'd be so disappointed if it was.
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Post by ukblue on Jun 11, 2015 23:39:03 GMT
I wonder what sort of sell-on fee they will include....
Surely they aren't incompetent enough to completely forget one...
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Post by daviejones on Jun 11, 2015 23:46:26 GMT
I wonder what sort of sell-on fee they will include.... Surely they aren't incompetent enough to completely forget one... Did I hear incompetent?
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Post by montevideoblue on Jun 12, 2015 0:23:10 GMT
This is dreadful by the club, crazy decision, looking at it Dempsey is 19, captained the club in his debut season, accounted for 18% of our goals in the league! player of the season. He is a serious asset, of course other clubs will notice this, so what should we do? I would have thought you build the team around him, we've got the makings of a settled defence and the spine of a good team for next season, surely Dempsey would flourish in a settled team competing at the right end of the table, if this would to happen he would further build his reputation, we would be doing better on the pitch and crowds would be up. Best time to sell a player is January, at the very least we should hold out till January window and if a crazy bid comes in, as they do in January, then consider taking the cash.
I'd say any offer now would be 450-650k, if we were to hold on to him till January, if he continues to develop, his value could be closer to 1million.
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Jun 12, 2015 0:36:32 GMT
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Post by blightyblue on Jun 12, 2015 0:36:32 GMT
The fire sale begins....
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Post by bruntonsoul on Jun 12, 2015 6:16:15 GMT
My thoughts exactly Blighty but who next? Apart from Brough do we have anyone else they can flog? I'm expecting everything which isn't nailed down to be on Gumtree & eBay before next week.
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Post by dancingbear on Jun 12, 2015 6:40:13 GMT
If he does go you can bet itll be for a undisclosed fee and it should also dispel the rumours of this so called fictional billionaire taking over. Im sure selling your best player is the best way to get him onside.
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Post by bluebry on Jun 12, 2015 6:42:20 GMT
This is dreadful by the club, crazy decision, looking at it Dempsey is 19, captained the club in his debut season, accounted for 18% of our goals in the league! player of the season. He is a serious asset, of course other clubs will notice this, so what should we do? I would have thought you build the team around him, we've got the makings of a settled defence and the spine of a good team for next season, surely Dempsey would flourish in a settled team settled defence and the spine of a good team for next season, surely Dempsey would flourish in a settled team competing at the right end of the table, if this would to happen he would further build his reputation, we would be doing better on the pitch and crowds would be up. Best time to sell a player is January, at the very least we should hold out till January window and if a crazy bid comes in, as they do in January, then consider taking the cash. I'd say any offer now would be 450-650k, if we were to hold on to him till January, if he continues to develop, his value could be closer to 1million. 'settled defence and the spine of a good team for next season, surely Dempsey would flourish in a settled team' Think that is where the problems start though, do you honestly think Curle has any intentions of playing a settled team? he showed no signs of it last season and as soon as we got a couple of decent results he changed it! Really can't work out what's going on at the moment, I know good players need to move on and test themselves as high as they can, but with a supposed takeover/investment, supposedly near, why on earth are we letting signed players talk to other clubs until it is sorted? (Potts I can understand as he didn't have a contract, but Dempsey?) and surely any so called Billionaire would be saying 'hold on to our best players until the takeover is complete ,then we can start the process of evaluating the squad'. Like a lot of other people now I'm beginning to think its all a smoke screen.
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Post by nobbyblue on Jun 12, 2015 6:46:28 GMT
"and surely any so called Billionaire would be saying 'hold on to our best players until the takeover is complete " There's no billionaire and never has been! Nixon & Co are taking the fans for absolute mugs. The contempt shown is astounding but as usual Carlisle fans will just take it. I doubt whether I'll be gan back with them lot in charge.
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Post by pacirv on Jun 12, 2015 6:51:43 GMT
If this turns out to be true there is no billionaire the Lapping deal dies and we are left with AJ and JN running the club. After supporting the club for over fifty years that will be it. I will be finished with it. I have no desire to witness the death of my club at the hands of the two incompetents.
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Dempsey
Jun 12, 2015 7:05:10 GMT
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Post by crunchblue on Jun 12, 2015 7:05:10 GMT
I don't believe we'll get a million for a player who's had one good season at the bottom of league 2.
Keep him another year and he'd possibly be worth that yeah.
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Dempsey
Jun 12, 2015 7:07:06 GMT
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Post by crunchblue on Jun 12, 2015 7:07:06 GMT
This is dreadful by the club, crazy decision, looking at it Dempsey is 19, captained the club in his debut season, accounted for 18% of our goals in the league! player of the season. He is a serious asset, of course other clubs will notice this, so what should we do? I would have thought you build the team around him, we've got the makings of a settled defence and the spine of a good team for next season, surely Dempsey would flourish in a settled team competing at the right end of the table, if this would to happen he would further build his reputation, we would be doing better on the pitch and crowds would be up. Best time to sell a player is January, at the very least we should hold out till January window and if a crazy bid comes in, as they do in January, then consider taking the cash. I'd say any offer now would be 450-650k, if we were to hold on to him till January, if he continues to develop, his value could be closer to 1million. Exactly right. But the fools in charge of our club are so shirt sighted they won't see this.
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Post by moorlad on Jun 12, 2015 8:47:50 GMT
who's to say we haven't accepted a big bid, say £1m for arguments sake? Me.
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Dempsey
Jun 12, 2015 8:54:19 GMT
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Post by crunchblue on Jun 12, 2015 8:54:19 GMT
If the friendly is part of the deal then they can stick it up their arse. I for one won't be attending.
Talk about rubbing our noses in it. Sell your best player then watch him run around Brunton Park with his new team probably giving us an absolute drubbing in the process. No thanks.
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Post by thelazylewisguy on Jun 12, 2015 8:58:08 GMT
Rumours quashed by Curle/Jon Colman. no story here. stop crying.
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Dempsey
Jun 12, 2015 9:07:13 GMT
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Post by CCU on Jun 12, 2015 9:07:13 GMT
Rumours quashed by Curle/Jon Colman. no story here. stop crying. Where has Curle said this? Jon Colman only says 'Cufc'... joncolman: Some Dempsey rumours going around..as of late last night the word from #cufc was they'd not received any approach from any club regarding KD
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Post by harrabyblue on Jun 12, 2015 9:14:57 GMT
So he can't have been talking to Sheffield United,or going for talks with pne then lazylewisguy,people must just be telling porkies then eh !
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Dempsey
Jun 12, 2015 10:10:54 GMT
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Post by crunchblue on Jun 12, 2015 10:10:54 GMT
Hopefully this stays the case. We could build a team around him and then sell him when his value has rocketed.
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Post by zoney on Jun 12, 2015 11:05:41 GMT
Rumours quashed by Curle/Jon Colman. no story here. stop crying. Where has Curle said this? Jon Colman only says 'Cufc'... joncolman: Some Dempsey rumours going around..as of late last night the word from #cufc was they'd not received any approach from any club regarding KD That translates to Dempseys going but we aint telling he fans yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by loser on Jun 12, 2015 11:13:14 GMT
Either this is proof that there is no billionaire or he had a buy out clause in his contract.
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