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Post by nobbyblue on Jun 8, 2015 10:27:33 GMT
Just heard a discussion on the radio on the back of Charles Kennedy's untimely death. One lady says she's alcoholic dependent not an alcoholic though I don't think there's much difference. There's one or two I know who you'd never guess as 'drinkers' as they're never in the pub but drink regularly at home which I have never really done. Just went oot for the crack as they say. I used to sup a fair bit in my younger days like most but not so much now. In Scotland drinking is more a way of life where in England more of a hobby. Any alkies (or alcoholic dependents) oot there?
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Post by moorlad on Jun 8, 2015 10:38:27 GMT
I'm married. With kids. So of course I depend on alcohol to get through life. Like you Nobby though, I only do it in pubs.
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Post by mullen103 on Jun 8, 2015 10:41:48 GMT
I don't drink at all as I have an addicted personality so don't want to go down that route. Thankfully I don't like the stuff.
I had a really bad gambling addiction and was talking to family members regarding addiction. We have one member who drinks a bottle of wine every night and she says she hasn't a problem but if she doesn't get her bottle of wine she's agitated, stressed etc. so to me that's a problem.
It shouldn't be all about the units consumed thought as everyone's different. Its more to do whether you can live without it or whether you must have one.
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Post by nobbyblue on Jun 8, 2015 10:55:34 GMT
I used to like a flutter on a regular basis but now just do one or two small accums a week on te football.
It can get a hold of you quick chasing your money so only bet what you can afford to lose (easier said than done!). The bookies are the only winners.
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Post by moorlad on Jun 8, 2015 11:00:03 GMT
I don't drink at all as I have an addicted personality so don't want to go down that route. Thankfully I don't like the stuff. I had a really bad gambling addiction and was talking to family members regarding addiction. We have one member who drinks a bottle of wine every night and she says she hasn't a problem but if she doesn't get her bottle of wine she's agitated, stressed etc. so to me that's a problem. It shouldn't be all about the units consumed thought as everyone's different. Its more to do whether you can live without it or whether you must have one. Sorry to hear that mate, and I hope you're getting through it. I'm sorry I have no real understanding at all about what you must be going through as I don't gamble at all, but you have my genuine sympathy. I have to say, I can easily get along without drink, but Friday evening me and Moorlass are like Pavlov's dogs to be honest. It's probably as much habit as anything else. There are times when I wonder whether we go out just for the drink, or whether it is to socialise with like minded people. Then I think, don't be stupid, it's all about the drink.
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Post by mullen103 on Jun 8, 2015 11:17:49 GMT
Yeah thanks, cant gamble at all on anything, machines were the issue, as it just takes me back eventually.
I was very unsympathetic to people with addictions like drink and drugs etc prior to my issue as for goodness sake can you not just stop. But its strange as despite the damage it does it doesn't matter as long as you get that fix. For me it was the adrenaline rush and with the machines it was every 20 seconds a spin so it high/low all the time dangerous. At the worst I couldn't care less about anything else apart from the gambling thankfully got help and motivation to stop.
Its the same with drink and Charles Kennedy. He is a very intelligent man and no doubt knew what harm he was causing himself but it doesn't matter. Strange thing addiction.
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Post by cufcmike on Jun 8, 2015 11:22:03 GMT
I used to have an issue with gambling. Once I wrote my losses off as losses that I would never get back, I was ok. I like to bet a fiver on first goalscorer and stuff when I go to games, if anything to add a little bit of excitement to the game, but I just factor that in to the overall cost of the day. Overall the bookie wins, but it adds something to the day out. Likewise having a couple of pints and lunch before the game.
With regards to alcohol, there is a massive difference between those who drink at home alone, and drinking in pubs with others. Where I used to work, there was a music venue around the corner that always had local bands on. After work I would unwind by going down, often on my own, have a couple of pints and enjoy some live music. I wouldn't consider that alcoholism. No different than going home and having a couple of cans while watching the football.
I have some relatives who have been bad alcoholics. One of which turned to drink straight after Hillsborough. Really messed him up, hence it can be quite a sensitive subject for me on here. The survivors that day were by no means unscathed.
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Post by gundog on Jun 8, 2015 11:32:46 GMT
I'm dead lucky. I have the odd bet but it's never been a habit. I drink every day - couple of beers, never binge, never get drunk. Like many people, in my youth got ratarsed every weekend etc, all very boring now. It did strike me as ironic the way parliament spent half a day saying what a decent bloke Charles Kennedy was, these are the politicians who restrict us to two packs of Paracetamol per customer wedged in between a trolly groaning under the weight of cheap booze.
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Post by kellsblue on Jun 8, 2015 11:53:14 GMT
Yes, I've two hands but only one mouth.
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Post by CarlisleReiver on Jun 8, 2015 12:03:08 GMT
I drink every day that I'm home, sometimes just one beer with dinner (not a fan of wine) don't really get hangovers as I don't mix drinks all that often. Drink mid strength here in Oz as I'm not too fussed about getting ****ed, more the taste. Some good mid strength beers around now. Sometimes like a G&T or a East coast whiskey. Never drink on planes to many bad experiences. Drink and ciggies go hand in hand (would love to give the cancer sticks up!). I have a flutter every now and again. Used be much more when I was younger and care free. Had a few bets on the football this year but last serious bet was on the tour de france. Think everyone has an addictive personality some just some lucky ones haven't found their crutch. Ice is becoming a serious problem here in Oz, I blame the Government for pricing out alcohol to the 18-25year bracket. Cheaper here to go out and score some drugs. The implications here are becoming epidemic. I'm addicted to sex mind, but I don't have a problem with that
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Post by mush on Jun 8, 2015 12:20:03 GMT
I don't drink at all as I have an addicted personality so don't want to go down that route. Thankfully I don't like the stuff. I had a really bad gambling addiction and was talking to family members regarding addiction. We have one member who drinks a bottle of wine every night and she says she hasn't a problem but if she doesn't get her bottle of wine she's agitated, stressed etc. so to me that's a problem. It shouldn't be all about the units consumed thought as everyone's different. Its more to do whether you can live without it or whether you must have one. you're addicted to laffy are you not? ;-)
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Post by parcelpete on Jun 8, 2015 12:28:05 GMT
I used to be addicted to fruit machines,would get paid on Thursday and be skint Friday most weeks,the more you lose the more you think it's due to pay out.... As for drink,i enjoy a glass of Red on a weekend but it wouldn't bother me if i never had another drink again.
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Post by mullen103 on Jun 8, 2015 12:30:30 GMT
I don't drink at all as I have an addicted personality so don't want to go down that route. Thankfully I don't like the stuff. I had a really bad gambling addiction and was talking to family members regarding addiction. We have one member who drinks a bottle of wine every night and she says she hasn't a problem but if she doesn't get her bottle of wine she's agitated, stressed etc. so to me that's a problem. It shouldn't be all about the units consumed thought as everyone's different. Its more to do whether you can live without it or whether you must have one. you're addicted to laffy are you not? ;-) Aye replaced one with another :-)
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Post by bluealf on Jun 8, 2015 12:37:05 GMT
I have drank on and off all my life depending on different circumstances, when I played football I rarely drank as I wanted to play as best as I could, then it took a little hold during a drinking stage (and to the OP alcohol dependant as opposed to alcoholic is the fact that you don't get up and drink a lager/vodka for breakfast but when home from work can sink 8 cans of stella and not have your tea), I was like that for 4 or 5 years but have not had a drop of real alcohol for 5 years now, the very occasional shandy and that is getting rarer nowadays.
I don't miss it at all.
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Post by foxsake on Jun 8, 2015 13:26:36 GMT
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Post by TopDog74 on Jun 8, 2015 13:56:07 GMT
Used to drink most nights, realised when I was out of work that it became more of a habit than just having few beers of a night. Had bit of counselling around it, educated myself bit about the whole subject. Very rarely drink of a school night now, drink once or twice at a weekend now if not working ot, just try to generally manage my consumption better now a day's. I enjoy a pint as much as the next man, but it's a very thin line between enjoying a few and it taking over. Instead of sparking a can open on nice nights I would rather take dog out for a walk with kids now.
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Post by CUFCDeano on Jun 8, 2015 14:17:36 GMT
I scored a 7. I have an occasional can on an evening, probably once/twice per month. Other than that, the only time I drink is at CUFC games, to ease the pain! I'll have 3 or 4 pints.
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Post by reality on Jun 8, 2015 14:18:33 GMT
I find working daft shifts don't help for diet and drinking. I work 5 days from 7 and often a mix of 7am till 330pm or 3pm till 1130pm, body clock is all over the place sometimes. Drank much less when I worked mon to fri on set shifts of 6-2 or 2-10. Never tried sleeping pills but often think I could do with some as sometimes I get next to no sleep due to having no routine really.
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Post by zebby on Jun 8, 2015 14:31:06 GMT
The thing that ****es me off about addictions to drink is when people call it a disease like some of stuff written in papers about Charles Kennedy indeed any celebrity that struggles with drink...its not a disease and doesn't help the person struggling in fact its a excuse for them like "oh its not my fault you see I have this disease"
Media needs to stop calling it disease and refer to it as addiction my sympathy goes out to anyone with addictive personalities it must be horrendous and many good people have succumbed but many more with help or by their own management have conquered their demons..
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Post by nobbyblue on Jun 8, 2015 14:39:15 GMT
I think alcoholism is more a mental health problem than anything.
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Post by reality on Jun 8, 2015 14:48:43 GMT
Used to drink most nights, realised when I was out of work that it became more of a habit than just having few beers of a night. Had bit of counselling around it, educated myself bit about the whole subject. Very rarely drink of a school night now, drink once or twice at a weekend now if not working ot, just try to generally manage my consumption better now a day's. I enjoy a pint as much as the next man, but it's a very thin line between enjoying a few and it taking over. Instead of sparking a can open on nice nights I would rather take dog out for a walk with kids now. What did you learn from the Counselling dog?
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Post by moorlad on Jun 8, 2015 14:54:17 GMT
OK, some might not agree with what I have to say, but that sort of thing has never bothered me to be honest and it's too late to change now. That survey is rubbish, and it is based on those government alcohol guidelines which are also absolute rubbish. Binge drinking stats are also utter rubbish.
I go out with my dad on a Wednesday night, every week, I will drink 4 pints, perhaps 5 if there's extra time in a match we're watching. According to that survey and the government guidelines that will be 12 to 15 units of alcohol, out of my "allowance" for a week of 21. On a Friday night Moorlass and I go out somewhere between 8 and 9 in the evening and we'll be out until somewhere between 2 and 3 in the morning, drinking constantly. I will certainly have between 12 and 15 pints of beer, which means that added to my Wednesday night I could be drinking somewhere in the region of 45 to 60 units of alcohol every week. This means my intake according to this cack is dangerously high, it also means I'm a binge drinker.
That is absolute and total rubbish, I am neither, I'm just a normal bloke who likes a drink at the weekend. We harm nobody, we just go out enjoy ourselves and go home. I'm nearly 52, and in the last 25 years I've been to the doctor twice, both because of knee problems which have resulted in operations (due to having played a lot of rugby). I have no health issues related to drinking or smoking, nor have I ever had. Granted I may do in the future, but there is absolutely no way I believe I overdo the drink at the moment, nor do I accept that my level of consumption is dangerous, either to me or anybody else.
If truth be known, I'm drinking less than half what I was when I was a youngster, and at that time I was drinking a tiny amount by comparison to a lot of the much older blokes around Cleator Moor, some of whom are still drinking regularly now.
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Post by bluealf on Jun 8, 2015 14:56:42 GMT
Not to talk to strange men on the internet
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Post by cufckeg on Jun 8, 2015 14:57:00 GMT
Yes! When I'm dog tired and have a nice few beers I fall asleep and pi$$ myself. Is that a problem? Is in the morning when your scrubbing the couch with a hangover.
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Post by foxsake on Jun 8, 2015 15:05:52 GMT
OK, some might not agree with what I have to say, but that sort of thing has never bothered me to be honest and it's too late to change now. That survey is rubbish, and it is based on those government alcohol guidelines which are also absolute rubbish. Binge drinking stats are also utter rubbish. I go out with my dad on a Wednesday night, every week, I will drink 4 pints, perhaps 5 if there's extra time in a match we're watching. According to that survey and the government guidelines that will be 12 to 15 units of alcohol, out of my "allowance" for a week of 21. On a Friday night Moorlass and I go out somewhere between 8 and 9 in the evening and we'll be out until somewhere between 2 and 3 in the morning, drinking constantly. I will certainly have between 12 and 15 pints of beer, which means that added to my Wednesday night I could be drinking somewhere in the region of 45 to 60 units of alcohol every week. This means my intake according to this cack is dangerously high, it also means I'm a binge drinker. That is absolute and total rubbish, I am neither, I'm just a normal bloke who likes a drink at the weekend. We harm nobody, we just go out enjoy ourselves and go home. I'm nearly 52, and in the last 25 years I've been to the doctor twice, both because of knee problems which have resulted in operations (due to having played a lot of rugby). I have no health issues related to drinking or smoking, nor have I ever had. Granted I may do in the future, but there is absolutely no way I believe I overdo the drink at the moment, nor do I accept that my level of consumption is dangerous, either to me or anybody else. If truth be known, I'm drinking less than half what I was when I was a youngster, and at that time I was drinking a tiny amount by comparison to a lot of the much older blokes around Cleator Moor, some of whom are still drinking regularly now. Drinking 15 pints in 6 hours every week isn't normal (particularly for a 50-something year old) and using old blokes that hang around Cleator Moor pubs as a yardstick for your health is probably a very bad idea.
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Post by orfc on Jun 8, 2015 15:07:15 GMT
I don't get the drinking in the pub / drinking at home differentiation
Mate of mine's dad used to sit in the wrestlers down currock road with his mates/ other drunks and have 20 pints in a day
The other night i sat on the decking in my back garden listening to some ToP tUneZ on my headphones and had 3 bottles of **** weak carling zest - I worked it out as 2.1 units in total - about the same as 1 proper pint :-(
I think I know who has/had the problem, YA BASTTTERSDZ.... BLEURGH
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Post by mullen103 on Jun 8, 2015 15:11:44 GMT
All addictions are a mental illness of some kind. Escapism from life or stressful situations tend to be the main one.
Just prior to when I started feeding everything into those machines a close family member suffered a serious illness and I got mugged at knifepoint. I think these were triggers which set it off as gambling took me away from that world but into a word of self destruction, I became addicted to the espasism and the adrenaline rush and the highs and lows rather than the event itself at the end it was all about trying to chase money id lost, a big vicious circle.
If you hear about drug or alcohol addiction they always tends to be a background story.
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Post by moorlad on Jun 8, 2015 15:14:37 GMT
OK, some might not agree with what I have to say, but that sort of thing has never bothered me to be honest and it's too late to change now. That survey is rubbish, and it is based on those government alcohol guidelines which are also absolute rubbish. Binge drinking stats are also utter rubbish. I go out with my dad on a Wednesday night, every week, I will drink 4 pints, perhaps 5 if there's extra time in a match we're watching. According to that survey and the government guidelines that will be 12 to 15 units of alcohol, out of my "allowance" for a week of 21. On a Friday night Moorlass and I go out somewhere between 8 and 9 in the evening and we'll be out until somewhere between 2 and 3 in the morning, drinking constantly. I will certainly have between 12 and 15 pints of beer, which means that added to my Wednesday night I could be drinking somewhere in the region of 45 to 60 units of alcohol every week. This means my intake according to this cack is dangerously high, it also means I'm a binge drinker. That is absolute and total rubbish, I am neither, I'm just a normal bloke who likes a drink at the weekend. We harm nobody, we just go out enjoy ourselves and go home. I'm nearly 52, and in the last 25 years I've been to the doctor twice, both because of knee problems which have resulted in operations (due to having played a lot of rugby). I have no health issues related to drinking or smoking, nor have I ever had. Granted I may do in the future, but there is absolutely no way I believe I overdo the drink at the moment, nor do I accept that my level of consumption is dangerous, either to me or anybody else. If truth be known, I'm drinking less than half what I was when I was a youngster, and at that time I was drinking a tiny amount by comparison to a lot of the much older blokes around Cleator Moor, some of whom are still drinking regularly now. Drinking 15 pints in 6 hours every week isn't normal (particularly for a 50-something year old) and using old blokes that hang around Cleator Moor pubs as a yardstick for your health is probably a very bad idea. That's partly my point, it isn't normal because of things that have been put around by "health experts", it didn't used to be normal, because it would have been thought of as a bit soft. These government initiatives about what we should and should not drink are yet another contributing factor to pubs closing down, along with supermarket prices and the smoking ban, people do their drinking at home on their own these days, and a lot drink considerably more in any given week than I do, and still don't have a problem, but they're shamed into having to do it at home. Anyone would think that governments (of all sides) don't want the working classes mixing in large numbers socially (read 1984).
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Post by mullen103 on Jun 8, 2015 15:15:09 GMT
OK, some might not agree with what I have to say, but that sort of thing has never bothered me to be honest and it's too late to change now. That survey is rubbish, and it is based on those government alcohol guidelines which are also absolute rubbish. Binge drinking stats are also utter rubbish. I go out with my dad on a Wednesday night, every week, I will drink 4 pints, perhaps 5 if there's extra time in a match we're watching. According to that survey and the government guidelines that will be 12 to 15 units of alcohol, out of my "allowance" for a week of 21. On a Friday night Moorlass and I go out somewhere between 8 and 9 in the evening and we'll be out until somewhere between 2 and 3 in the morning, drinking constantly. I will certainly have between 12 and 15 pints of beer, which means that added to my Wednesday night I could be drinking somewhere in the region of 45 to 60 units of alcohol every week. This means my intake according to this cack is dangerously high, it also means I'm a binge drinker. That is absolute and total rubbish, I am neither, I'm just a normal bloke who likes a drink at the weekend. We harm nobody, we just go out enjoy ourselves and go home. I'm nearly 52, and in the last 25 years I've been to the doctor twice, both because of knee problems which have resulted in operations (due to having played a lot of rugby). I have no health issues related to drinking or smoking, nor have I ever had. Granted I may do in the future, but there is absolutely no way I believe I overdo the drink at the moment, nor do I accept that my level of consumption is dangerous, either to me or anybody else. If truth be known, I'm drinking less than half what I was when I was a youngster, and at that time I was drinking a tiny amount by comparison to a lot of the much older blokes around Cleator Moor, some of whom are still drinking regularly now. Goes back to the what feels comfortable to you argument.
Same with gambling if you earn a million pounds and gamble 10,000 away its not much but if you only earn 20,000 then it becomes a problem.
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Post by reality on Jun 8, 2015 15:16:53 GMT
You are on a different planet when you play them things like with cash you just can't afford. Totally ruined many lads.
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